1 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:41,770 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:44,440 ride into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:47,720 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:52,030 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:55,150 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,360 --> 00:00:57,530 cryptozoology as well as other 8 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:01,370 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:19,139 --> 00:01:06,530 night now your electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:24,960 Tim what are you doing way up there 11 00:01:34,690 --> 00:01:28,850 well I'm floating on air like the saints 12 00:01:38,050 --> 00:01:34,700 used to do but everyone knows it's 13 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:38,060 you're no saint what do you mean how do 14 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:42,680 they know that well from from listening 15 00:01:49,180 --> 00:01:45,310 to exploring the bizarre of course oh 16 00:01:51,789 --> 00:01:49,190 jeez I didn't know that it it showed but 17 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:51,799 what are you gonna do tonight we're 18 00:02:00,060 --> 00:01:54,110 going to have both sides of the spectrum 19 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:02,950 yeah I suppose you could put it that way 20 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:06,220 [Laughter] 21 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:11,810 we have two fantastic guests we have 22 00:02:18,539 --> 00:02:15,260 with this Michael Gross oh and Emily men 23 00:02:22,449 --> 00:02:18,549 how steakley now 24 00:02:24,580 --> 00:02:22,459 Michael Michael grosso PhD is a scholar 25 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:24,590 teacher author and painter whose 26 00:02:29,229 --> 00:02:26,540 interest banned physical research 27 00:02:32,259 --> 00:02:29,239 metaphysical art that parapsychology of 28 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:32,269 religion and primarily philosophy 29 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:34,220 now Michael received his PhD in 30 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:36,350 philosophy and studied classical Greek 31 00:02:42,310 --> 00:02:39,560 at Columbia University and has taught at 32 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:42,320 City University of New York Marymount 33 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:43,250 Manhattan College 34 00:02:47,860 --> 00:02:45,590 yes published books on topics ranging 35 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:47,870 from life after death to the mythology's 36 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:50,120 of end time and he's on the board of 37 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:50,500 directors 38 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:52,690 the American Philosophical practitioners 39 00:02:58,650 --> 00:02:55,570 Association and is the past editor of 40 00:03:02,520 --> 00:02:58,660 the journal for that association now 41 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:02,530 we'll be talking tonight about a lot of 42 00:03:06,510 --> 00:03:04,930 different subjects but Michael has a 43 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:06,520 book out called the man who could fly 44 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:09,070 st. Joseph and the mystery of levitation 45 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,590 now as well he's written experience in 46 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:13,920 the next world now frontiers of the soul 47 00:03:20,550 --> 00:03:17,170 exploring psychic evolution soul making 48 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:20,560 uncommon pass to self understanding and 49 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:22,570 he wrote that along with Raymond moody 50 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:26,230 jr. and the final choice plane the 51 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:28,870 survival game now of course with us is 52 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:32,050 Emily men house steakley now Emily says 53 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:33,940 that after growing up at a haunted house 54 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:36,700 and the good Lord allowing her to have 55 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:39,489 the gift of discernment that is the 56 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:41,709 discernment of spirits she became 57 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:43,480 interested in the paranormal at a young 58 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:45,910 age and has been an investigator for 59 00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:48,340 over 15 years she got her start with 60 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:50,620 Kentucky paranormal investigators from 61 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:52,630 there she was recruited to be on the 62 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:54,130 television showed that paranormal 63 00:04:00,810 --> 00:03:56,980 journeys which will be filming its fifth 64 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:00,820 season this season this summer now this 65 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:02,920 year during her offseason of filming 66 00:04:07,259 --> 00:04:04,630 Emily decided to do a winter project 67 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:07,269 with her best friend and founded Frick 68 00:04:11,699 --> 00:04:09,430 and frack paranormal boy say that five 69 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:11,709 times fast they're working on a small 70 00:04:17,219 --> 00:04:14,620 documentary series on what is body 71 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:17,229 fiddle now known as Portsmouth Ohio 72 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:19,180 we'll have to ask about that one I love 73 00:04:24,540 --> 00:04:22,000 that name bunny fiddle as well Emily has 74 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:24,550 a YouTube channel called the dirty ghost 75 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:29,350 box which features EVPs of the not so 76 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:32,500 genteel nature Emily says that what used 77 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:34,660 to be a hobby has now become my life and 78 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:37,060 I enjoy doing every minute of it I love 79 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:39,270 meeting new people and helping those 80 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,550 find answers so hopefully that we can 81 00:04:46,340 --> 00:04:44,400 find their some answers tonight on 82 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:46,350 exploring the bizarre 83 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:48,790 we're always we're always seeking him 84 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:50,740 out that I'm art with that's right I 85 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:52,360 don't know if we ever find anything but 86 00:04:56,940 --> 00:04:54,910 we have a good time in the process it's 87 00:05:00,570 --> 00:04:56,950 not so much the end of the journey but 88 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:00,580 the journey itself well you know Tim I 89 00:05:07,499 --> 00:05:04,500 know our first guest tonight 90 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:07,509 Grosso oh really I haven't I haven't 91 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:11,250 seen him for many a full moon but 92 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:15,940 Michael used to come to our 14 society 93 00:05:26,029 --> 00:05:19,150 meetings in what is now a vacant lot 94 00:05:29,159 --> 00:05:26,039 next door to where I published my vas of 95 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:29,169 massive library of books on the 96 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:34,360 paranormal it's now a a lot with the 97 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:36,880 rubble in it I must say we're waiting to 98 00:05:41,129 --> 00:05:38,710 see what they might do with it because 99 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:41,139 they're putting up skyscrapers all over 100 00:05:47,309 --> 00:05:44,229 the all over the area here it's nothing 101 00:05:50,129 --> 00:05:47,319 but pounding and in sawing all day long 102 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:50,139 and I think Michael spoke for the group 103 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:52,840 John keel was the organizer and I was on 104 00:05:59,999 --> 00:05:56,740 the board of directors and I remember he 105 00:06:02,999 --> 00:06:00,009 was a very articulate spokes person and 106 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:03,009 after the meetings we would usually 107 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:08,440 venture down to miss Kay's some of the 108 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:11,380 members including a Peter who does our 109 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:15,969 up a YouTube channel to have a meatball 110 00:06:20,820 --> 00:06:18,280 sandwich but unfortunately miss Kay's is 111 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:20,830 no longer there either in fact the whole 112 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:26,229 area has totally changed Michael now 113 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:28,690 well you wouldn't when you came to the 114 00:06:37,709 --> 00:06:29,860 meetings were you living in Connecticut 115 00:06:39,570 --> 00:06:37,719 then yeah in those days I think I was 116 00:06:42,749 --> 00:06:39,580 living in Riverdale and in the Bronx 117 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:42,759 Oh mm-hmm and do you adduce the reside 118 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:44,620 there now yeah 119 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:47,860 no no I'm living in Virginia now and 120 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:51,969 sure all famous extra - oh yes indeed 121 00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:54,550 yeah well okay well let you know I I 122 00:07:00,029 --> 00:06:56,620 must say my my memory is a little a 123 00:07:02,730 --> 00:07:00,039 faulty it's been many years but why 124 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:02,740 don't you take us back to the to the 125 00:07:07,409 --> 00:07:05,530 beginning of your interest in what would 126 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:07,419 you what would you call this you're not 127 00:07:14,490 --> 00:07:10,240 really a paranormal researcher are you 128 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:14,500 more AV person s into consciousness and 129 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:16,050 awareness 130 00:07:21,529 --> 00:07:18,930 well yeah I don't know what I am I mean 131 00:07:28,149 --> 00:07:21,539 I do a lot of different things but how I 132 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:28,159 got into this is the fact that I always 133 00:07:34,339 --> 00:07:32,129 have once in a while I've had odd 134 00:07:36,649 --> 00:07:34,349 experiences and occasionally I've had 135 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:36,659 really striking what we would call 136 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:40,190 paranormal experiences precognitive and 137 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:44,460 and telekinetic or psychokinetic I would 138 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:48,930 say those two areas telepathy you know 139 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:52,050 I've seen I've been attacked by ghosts 140 00:07:58,700 --> 00:07:56,130 and haunted houses so actually I've I 141 00:07:59,960 --> 00:07:58,710 don't remember half the time things come 142 00:08:02,300 --> 00:07:59,970 up and I say oh yeah I remember I had 143 00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:02,310 something like that 35 years ago or 144 00:08:07,719 --> 00:08:04,800 something oh I have written it written 145 00:08:10,279 --> 00:08:07,729 up some of the more outstanding 146 00:08:12,620 --> 00:08:10,289 experiences and I more or less keep 147 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:12,630 having them but not often not frequently 148 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:14,940 I would never call myself a psychic I'm 149 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:17,969 just an ordinary guy who happens to be 150 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:21,479 looking up from time to time I have some 151 00:08:28,219 --> 00:08:24,120 reared what weirded strange experiences 152 00:08:30,559 --> 00:08:28,229 that helps me understand that folks you 153 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:30,569 know I'm more receptive let's say other 154 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:32,940 people's stories because I've had myself 155 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:36,060 I think a lot of the individuals that 156 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:40,200 are turned off by this field more often 157 00:08:45,769 --> 00:08:43,260 than not just simply never had or never 158 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:45,779 noticed an experience I think the big 159 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:47,610 thing is having these experiences and 160 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:50,940 the open people up so that's pretty much 161 00:08:56,569 --> 00:08:53,310 how I got into it and I was a student of 162 00:08:58,819 --> 00:08:56,579 philosophy and surrounded by guys and 163 00:09:01,850 --> 00:08:58,829 women and thought you know these things 164 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:01,860 aren't impossible and I would say I 165 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:03,839 didn't say they were possible I said I 166 00:09:11,170 --> 00:09:06,570 had the experience there actually so 167 00:09:14,180 --> 00:09:11,180 that sort of intensified my interest 168 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:14,190 well what were some of the what were 169 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:16,290 some of the earliest the experiences you 170 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:19,440 have can you tell us a yes I can I can 171 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:22,620 remember the very earliest experience I 172 00:09:28,069 --> 00:09:24,480 ever had I think I was about I just 173 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:28,079 moved around around the corn from around 174 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:29,640 the corner 175 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:31,770 new Street I was about five years old 176 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:34,230 and there was a kid on the block I 177 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:38,160 didn't know very well had no contact 178 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:40,530 with him I just knew who he was and I 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:43,110 recall I still remember it you know 180 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:45,090 decades maybe back aids ago but I 181 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:48,350 remember having a vivid dream of him 182 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:51,030 playing ball with him and I had never 183 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:53,750 played ball with this particular kid and 184 00:09:59,560 --> 00:09:56,100 and I remember I woke up that morning 185 00:10:02,570 --> 00:09:59,570 with this vivid dream typically you know 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:02,580 precognitive dreams tend to be more 187 00:10:08,420 --> 00:10:06,090 vivid than usual and so I had breakfast 188 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:08,430 and I stepped out of the house I was 189 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:10,290 told if a little boy but I was able to 190 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:13,050 go out in the backyard and hang out in 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:15,210 front in front of the house first thing 192 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:17,730 that happens when I step out this Johnny 193 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:20,340 this kid that I that I never really 194 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:22,470 became friends with he's bouncing the 195 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:23,970 ball and he says want to play ball I 196 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:26,670 play off the wall and it shocked me 197 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:28,980 because I had just had this dream so 198 00:10:35,570 --> 00:10:31,350 that's the earliest one that I can 199 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:35,580 remember but then I I suppose the ones I 200 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:40,290 do remember more vividly or more also 201 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:42,120 you see what got me into this was 202 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:46,770 listening to my mother she told me ghost 203 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:49,830 stories she told me with one of her 204 00:10:58,970 --> 00:10:54,870 great aunts discovering in her house 205 00:11:01,370 --> 00:10:58,980 like a clothing that was unwoven and 206 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:01,380 then woven into different kinds of 207 00:11:05,930 --> 00:11:02,880 clothing it was like just a fairy 208 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:05,940 stirring story of a haunting that 209 00:11:12,530 --> 00:11:09,600 produced strange physical effects and I 210 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:12,540 remembered listening to that when I was 211 00:11:17,570 --> 00:11:14,940 very also remember stories about Padre 212 00:11:18,950 --> 00:11:17,580 Pio you know the Catholic saints this 213 00:11:21,770 --> 00:11:18,960 probably that's how I got into the 214 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:21,780 Saints and there were books lying around 215 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:25,530 the house about often I still have some 216 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:27,540 of them if my mother died I collected 217 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:29,580 some of my mother's stories there was 218 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:31,560 one in particular made a really vivid 219 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:35,970 impression on me about a statue that 220 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:42,810 cried in in Italy in 1954 and it cost it 221 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:43,320 was 222 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:45,720 I have headlines all over the world for 223 00:11:51,770 --> 00:11:49,110 four days straight this statue was 224 00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:51,780 crushing tears everybody you know for 225 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:54,830 many miles away it came and saw this 226 00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:57,360 doctors chemists came on the scene 227 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:01,760 immediately collected the tears and 228 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:03,900 analyzed and discovered there were 229 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:06,990 actual tears stuff like that I had from 230 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:11,700 pretty early age then in my years even 231 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:13,980 as a graduate student I remember having 232 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:17,010 some very striking experiences I 233 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:20,700 remember an encounter with an apparition 234 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:24,120 of my deceased grandmother with a woman 235 00:12:28,190 --> 00:12:26,400 right next to her that I didn't 236 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:28,200 recognize that but sort of looked like 237 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:29,040 my mom 238 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:32,730 I remember just spending a hot it was a 239 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:34,530 very hot night and I couldn't sleep in 240 00:12:39,230 --> 00:12:37,050 the bed I went into the living room and 241 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:39,240 drifted off and just as the Sun came up 242 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:42,120 oh my eyes and there this this 243 00:12:46,580 --> 00:12:44,310 apparition of these two people what I 244 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:46,590 recognized my dead grandma the other I 245 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:48,360 didn't so 246 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:50,670 Lena that day I called my mother and I 247 00:12:56,540 --> 00:12:53,610 described the woman that I didn't 248 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:56,550 recognize and my mother told me to come 249 00:13:02,600 --> 00:12:58,850 to the house which I did in a day or so 250 00:13:04,570 --> 00:13:02,610 showed me a big old family picture which 251 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:04,580 I had never seen her family I 252 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:06,930 immediately picked out the woman that I 253 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:09,600 saw and happened to be my grandmother's 254 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:12,930 sister I had never seen or met and who 255 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:16,950 never saw or met me and so that would 256 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:19,290 that definitely made an impression on me 257 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:21,990 how could I mean somebody I've never 258 00:13:28,570 --> 00:13:24,510 seen then recognized photograph of her 259 00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:28,580 so that's a rough idea and some of the 260 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:32,700 experiences that I've had and made an 261 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:34,500 impression on me and at the same time 262 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:36,480 while graduate student at Columbia 263 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:37,560 University 264 00:13:42,020 --> 00:13:40,230 I would now and then tell a story like 265 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:42,030 this to some of my buddies and they say 266 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:45,330 that's impossible no I remember one of 267 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:48,450 them saying that would imply dualism in 268 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:51,150 those days dualism was a sin against the 269 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:54,090 holy ghost of philosophy you're not 270 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:56,310 allowed to believe in the mind you have 271 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,120 to believe on 272 00:14:01,939 --> 00:13:58,800 in the body in the mind with some kind 273 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:01,949 of good accident so that got me going to 274 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:06,029 the absurdity of these you know dogmatic 275 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:09,420 claims that I got from smart-aleck guys 276 00:14:14,030 --> 00:14:12,569 young philosophers like myself who were 277 00:14:17,329 --> 00:14:14,040 convinced that these things were 278 00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:17,339 impossible when I had I knew from my own 279 00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:21,990 experience that they were real that is 280 00:14:25,999 --> 00:14:23,550 anyway that's the best it tasted my 281 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:26,009 background oh I saw I was just getting 282 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,930 ready to say that that had to you know 283 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:30,240 grate on your nerves just a little bit 284 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:35,220 too to hear people just dismiss your own 285 00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:37,649 personal experiences when it was like 286 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:41,309 you said you know well I I know this 287 00:14:46,369 --> 00:14:42,990 happened to me so I mean you know I 288 00:14:49,069 --> 00:14:46,379 can't I can't say that it was you know 289 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:49,079 supernatural whatever but I can't 290 00:14:55,309 --> 00:14:52,470 dismiss that this didn't happen you know 291 00:14:59,199 --> 00:14:55,319 to my experience exactly exactly you 292 00:15:02,119 --> 00:14:59,209 know I wasn't annoyed then I took it as 293 00:15:06,169 --> 00:15:02,129 just to me was a joke because I knew I 294 00:15:08,929 --> 00:15:06,179 was right in terms of my experience I've 295 00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:08,939 been up I get more annoyed today when I 296 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:10,139 read those 297 00:15:17,929 --> 00:15:14,850 notice how the mainstream the press can 298 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:17,939 be very often obtuse and dismissive 299 00:15:23,179 --> 00:15:21,120 about things that now I have a deep 300 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:23,189 knowledge I've spent a good part of my 301 00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,600 life 302 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:26,399 talking to other people who have had 303 00:15:32,059 --> 00:15:29,610 these experiences and reading and a 304 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:32,069 bottomless literature I mean it's 305 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:36,240 endless I'm a fanatic in terms of books 306 00:15:42,259 --> 00:15:39,749 I've collected books that are I've got 307 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:42,269 thousands of books and many of them not 308 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:46,740 all of them are on these matters and I'm 309 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:48,569 constantly finding stuff and I read 310 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:51,209 years ago or things that I left out and 311 00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:54,809 that I haven't read and so you know I 312 00:16:01,009 --> 00:15:58,160 get annoyed when when I see that kind of 313 00:16:02,749 --> 00:16:01,019 unawareness and lack of interest on the 314 00:16:04,999 --> 00:16:02,759 part of something that everybody 315 00:16:07,850 --> 00:16:05,009 ordinary everyday people are more open 316 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:07,860 to these things this only intellectuals 317 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:10,710 have been talked into 318 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:12,630 were trained themselves to believe or 319 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:14,970 investments they've invested themselves 320 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:16,410 in a certain way of looking in the world 321 00:16:30,830 --> 00:16:28,220 was I was impressed by the experience 322 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:30,840 that you wrote about on your recent blog 323 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:36,120 on our consciousness unbound where you 324 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:38,610 referred to this it was April 23rd in 325 00:16:45,530 --> 00:16:42,330 1971 when you were living in a grin at 326 00:16:47,510 --> 00:16:45,540 Greenwich Village and I do want to talk 327 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:47,520 about that a little bit because I know 328 00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,330 that John keel wrote one time that he 329 00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,800 had a very similar experience I don't 330 00:16:56,750 --> 00:16:54,560 know if others are on the same time but 331 00:17:00,200 --> 00:16:56,760 it was something that I remember that he 332 00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:00,210 had mentioned down ya know that 333 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:03,020 experience was striking home for Mia 334 00:17:08,810 --> 00:17:06,570 that one really opened up my mind 335 00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:08,820 because well alright I'll just very 336 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:11,760 quickly recounted first of all was you 337 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:13,260 know the date you got right it's April 338 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:17,850 23rd 1971 I was just about to get my PhD 339 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:21,300 in philosophy I think that this is 340 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,150 interesting and anyway we're living in 341 00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:26,400 the village six six floor fourteen 342 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,540 Bedford Street and I'm listening to the 343 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:32,400 piece of music with my girlfriend 344 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:35,730 happens to be her birthday and the music 345 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,500 is quite young Coltrane called the 346 00:17:42,830 --> 00:17:40,080 father and the Son and the Holy Ghost 347 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:42,840 wild jazz very difficult stuff to listen 348 00:17:48,530 --> 00:17:46,470 to and even today now I don't have that 349 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:48,540 one anymore but I certainly remember it 350 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:51,960 and anyway we're kind of listening in to 351 00:17:55,790 --> 00:17:54,330 the music and then I got up it was about 352 00:17:58,550 --> 00:17:55,800 11 o'clock at night and I go to the 353 00:18:04,510 --> 00:17:58,560 window and look out the window it's a 354 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:04,520 beautiful crystal clear spring night and 355 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:10,850 I suddenly as I'm sort of at the window 356 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:13,170 pumping might feet and risen with the 357 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:17,490 music and and I look up and and suddenly 358 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:21,510 I see a cluster dazzling lights in the 359 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:24,510 sky before me and they 360 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:27,840 it seems like this they're dancing or 361 00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:30,120 they're moving back and forth almost in 362 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:32,460 rhythm with my feet and with the music 363 00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:36,240 and okay that's that that was the 364 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:38,700 striking and I saw him stare at this for 365 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:41,250 about a second and a half and I suddenly 366 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:43,920 realize what the hell am I looking at 367 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:46,740 this cannot be a plane it's nothing it's 368 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:49,470 definitely out there so I say Jay King 369 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:51,690 come over yeah and she has the Wits to 370 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:54,390 raise the window to make sure it's no 371 00:19:01,340 --> 00:18:58,650 you know freakish reflection you see the 372 00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:01,350 same thing and then as we're both 373 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:06,360 watching you forget some really odd as 374 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:09,860 we're both watching these lights they 375 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:14,940 stop that rhythmic pattern and shoot to 376 00:19:21,170 --> 00:19:17,490 the dome of Our Lady of Pompeii which is 377 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:21,180 this church about two blocks I suppose 378 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:25,380 would be north of Bedford Street 379 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:28,470 where I was living in a village it's a 380 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:30,420 famously searched you can see it still 381 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:33,630 there in the village and the lights the 382 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:35,310 cluster that's all I can describe as a 383 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:36,330 cluster of Lights 384 00:19:42,620 --> 00:19:38,970 they shoot over to the Dome of the roof 385 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:42,630 of the church and they Kerch there and 386 00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,270 they and they start beaming and it 387 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:48,000 seemed to me was perfectly I'll be there 388 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,150 beaming at us while we're listening to 389 00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:53,160 the Father of the Son and the Holy Ghost 390 00:20:00,800 --> 00:19:56,700 these flights appear okay and then shoot 391 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:00,810 over to the to the top of a church a 392 00:20:06,790 --> 00:20:02,940 Catholic Church Father Son the Holy 393 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:06,800 Ghost there's obvious connection and so 394 00:20:13,790 --> 00:20:10,320 we're staring at those lights beaming at 395 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:13,800 us and then suddenly they stop and in an 396 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:18,510 instant shoot in his classic UFO zigzag 397 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:22,470 fashion north and vanish over the entire 398 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:24,810 state Empire State Building yeah 399 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:28,350 not over yet the two of us are sort of 400 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:32,820 stunned and electrified I could feel we 401 00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:35,310 were like vibrating and in this little 402 00:20:40,409 --> 00:20:36,840 apartment that I had 403 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:40,419 six-four I think it was and so I said 404 00:20:44,249 --> 00:20:42,850 let's go up the roof and they don't know 405 00:20:47,099 --> 00:20:44,259 what prompted me to do that I just 406 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:47,109 wanted to get up to the roof and and see 407 00:20:52,379 --> 00:20:49,720 what was how if I could maybe see this 408 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:52,389 thing in the distance along the hall 409 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:55,480 there's a guy up the roof who the name's 410 00:21:00,570 --> 00:20:57,730 Louie lives in the building and I had 411 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:00,580 just turned him on to John Coltrane hmm 412 00:21:07,259 --> 00:21:04,690 so he looks at me did you see that or 413 00:21:10,409 --> 00:21:07,269 even open my mouth please people 414 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:10,419 witnessed this and he noticed that the 415 00:21:16,619 --> 00:21:12,730 lights had were sort of there was a kind 416 00:21:19,289 --> 00:21:16,629 of a pyramidal shape and he also noticed 417 00:21:21,509 --> 00:21:19,299 the obvious packet of no sound no sound 418 00:21:24,989 --> 00:21:21,519 whatsoever that didn't register in my 419 00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,999 mind consciously so that was the 420 00:21:30,509 --> 00:21:26,799 experience you know every time I used to 421 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:30,519 see Louie years later when I moved I got 422 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:32,230 out of the village and I'd bump into me 423 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,570 still living there and we'd say hey you 424 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:35,440 seen any lights 425 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:37,480 I could made a tremendous impression on 426 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:40,210 me and I always interpreted this and it 427 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:44,049 could be nonsense but my sense was this 428 00:21:48,330 --> 00:21:46,450 was some kind of a joke because it was 429 00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:48,340 trying to tell me you're about to become 430 00:21:52,169 --> 00:21:50,940 a doctor doctor and Latin means wise 431 00:21:55,499 --> 00:21:52,179 okay 432 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,509 figure this one out figure out Eirene 433 00:22:00,330 --> 00:21:57,600 act is my interpretation I don't know 434 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:00,340 well well you know Michael Michael I 435 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:02,529 I've spent a good deal of my life trying 436 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:05,470 to figure out synchronicities I just did 437 00:22:12,299 --> 00:22:09,850 a book the matrix of philip k dick in 438 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:12,309 the the synchronicities paranormal 439 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:14,830 socrates synchronicities of tim Beckley 440 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:17,369 and i mean things that are just totally 441 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:19,809 bizarre and I'm not talking about 442 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:21,220 thinking of somebody and they call on 443 00:22:24,629 --> 00:22:22,809 the phone the next day I mean I'm 444 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:24,639 talking about hardcore things just like 445 00:22:31,619 --> 00:22:28,690 just like you just described there is a 446 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:31,629 definite link between synchronicities 447 00:22:37,649 --> 00:22:35,799 and UFOs and the paranormal which led to 448 00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:37,659 Phil ok dick to believe that we are 449 00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:41,200 living in a computer simulation or that 450 00:22:45,509 --> 00:22:43,239 we're actually living in parallel worlds 451 00:22:48,239 --> 00:22:45,519 at the same time and I kind of go along 452 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,249 with that to some extent now I know 453 00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:49,840 we're coming up on a commercial break 454 00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:50,680 but there's an 455 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:52,360 incident you talked about the dome there 456 00:23:00,570 --> 00:22:54,220 there's an incident that took place in 457 00:23:04,110 --> 00:23:00,580 in Egypt over a a church there Christian 458 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:04,120 Church where's the copier yeah Coptic 459 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:06,850 Church with this vision of the Virgin 460 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:09,940 Mary appeared for numerous nights in a 461 00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:11,320 row and they faded they took photographs 462 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:14,860 of it and I think the video or film at 463 00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:17,680 the time yeah you probably familiar with 464 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:22,180 that absolutely I actually I interviewed 465 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:24,910 about five witnesses who lived in Jersey 466 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:27,640 City because there was a Coptic Church 467 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,430 in Jersey City I was teaching there well 468 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:32,080 yeah I know all about that that and that 469 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:34,950 went on for about two and a half years 470 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:37,690 well that's why I'm not a religious 471 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:40,650 person at all but that's a remarkable 472 00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:43,330 incident I mean there is something to 473 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:45,280 Fatima and the appearance of the Virgin 474 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:48,460 Mary whether it's you know religious or 475 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:51,270 spiritual or a UFO related 476 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:53,860 all right well we have to take our break 477 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:56,110 now Tim so we will be right back in just 478 00:24:01,410 --> 00:23:58,930 a few minutes now back to exploring the 479 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,420 bizarre with two of the most 480 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:03,760 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 481 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:07,510 your hosts Timothy bikini and team 482 00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:13,830 welcome back to exploring the bizarre on 483 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:16,029 Tim Schwartz and remember if you have 484 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:19,179 any questions for our guests just call 485 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:23,559 in Texas use your amazing psychic 486 00:24:27,509 --> 00:24:25,990 abilities we don't care we just want to 487 00:24:28,859 --> 00:24:27,519 hear from you our guests would like to 488 00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:28,869 answer your questions as well if you 489 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,720 have any so Tim what do we what we bring 490 00:24:38,369 --> 00:24:34,480 Emily into the conversation now I know 491 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:38,379 that she's been anxiously awaiting her 492 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:42,159 her turn on the show so let's let's 493 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:46,240 bring in Emily men now Stingley well you 494 00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:48,610 know I am so anxious oh hello Emily I'm 495 00:24:57,299 --> 00:24:51,220 so anxious to hear about the dirty ghost 496 00:24:59,369 --> 00:24:57,309 box of course a quart of course I would 497 00:25:02,580 --> 00:24:59,379 be but you know I I just wanted to 498 00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:02,590 mention I you're from Kentucky correct 499 00:25:07,649 --> 00:25:03,940 yes correct 500 00:25:10,379 --> 00:25:07,659 yeah well my my daddy was from Kentucky 501 00:25:16,919 --> 00:25:10,389 in fact I used to drive down there with 502 00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:16,929 my parents they had a 1947 Oldsmobile 503 00:25:22,649 --> 00:25:19,740 and they would put me in the back of my 504 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:22,659 car and it would take about three or 505 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:25,570 three and a half days to get down there 506 00:25:33,149 --> 00:25:29,740 now I had one of my earliest strange 507 00:25:36,509 --> 00:25:33,159 experiences at around the age of a three 508 00:25:39,859 --> 00:25:36,519 and in fact we could say that perhaps a 509 00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:39,869 guardian angel or some sort of being 510 00:25:47,159 --> 00:25:45,429 saved me from a certain death we would 511 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:47,169 we were driving along and it was rather 512 00:25:54,869 --> 00:25:50,440 late at night and as I understand that 513 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:54,879 there was a fog covering coming in and 514 00:26:01,409 --> 00:25:57,970 they were up in my dad was driving and 515 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,419 my mother was a quite a I mean she I'm 516 00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:03,600 sure she was telling him every turn to 517 00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:06,820 to tank in the slowdown and they were up 518 00:26:10,619 --> 00:26:08,980 in the mountains I guess on the way 519 00:26:14,009 --> 00:26:10,629 there were you know winding hills and 520 00:26:17,549 --> 00:26:14,019 I'm in the back of the car and the fog 521 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:17,559 is rolling in and my father wants to 522 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,690 continue driving because there isn't 523 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:22,480 that far to go and my mother insists 524 00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:23,970 that we stop 525 00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,620 you know immediately right away and if 526 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:28,080 my mother said something my father would 527 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:31,920 certainly agree to it so anyway they 528 00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:35,130 stopped and we pulled over to the side 529 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:38,160 of the road and stayed there for the 530 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:41,610 rest of the night and when the Sun broke 531 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:44,550 through the the cloud covering in the 532 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:45,150 morning 533 00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:47,610 it turns out that we were on the very 534 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:50,700 end of a cliff and another two or three 535 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:53,010 and feet we would have been down in a 536 00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:56,900 ravine somewhere and I would not be a 537 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:00,690 co-hosting the the show here so that was 538 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:02,670 one of my first paranormal experiences 539 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:04,830 but it goes back a little further than 540 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,910 that because it turns out that my 541 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:10,320 grandfather on my father's side of the 542 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:16,430 family had a a ghostly experience now my 543 00:27:21,290 --> 00:27:19,320 dad's family were very strict they're 544 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:21,300 Baptists and and Baptists don't talk 545 00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:24,860 about spirits and ghosts and phantom 546 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,180 unless they and they bring it up in 547 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:29,220 conjunction with them being a you know 548 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:33,150 demonic or a tool of Satan which I don't 549 00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:35,850 even think they really would would have 550 00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:38,520 done because they were not I don't think 551 00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:41,720 had educated in the year the ways of the 552 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:45,420 other world and parallel dimensions at 553 00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:49,680 all anyway my according to my when I 554 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:51,870 heard my grandfather only talk about 555 00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,690 this once and would never just describe 556 00:28:00,530 --> 00:27:56,940 what happened again but he was went 557 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:00,540 behind the barn and there was a headless 558 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,770 horseman now what we think well you know 559 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:06,900 it's a Ichabod Crane or something like 560 00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,130 that but no apparently there were if as 561 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:13,380 I understand a Kentucky was supposed to 562 00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:16,170 be neutral during the Civil War but they 563 00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:18,270 were more I think influenced by the 564 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,270 south and anything else and it was I 565 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:23,100 guess a damn Yankee who shot off the 566 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:25,950 head with a cannon all or something of 567 00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,200 this a particular soldier and my 568 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:32,700 grandfather got a glimpse of this and 569 00:28:38,270 --> 00:28:36,120 you know apparently it correct me if I'm 570 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:38,280 wrong a headless 571 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:44,100 ghosts are not that unusual I mean I 572 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,010 have not ever seen a headless person 573 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:50,220 what I usually see ghosts are white 574 00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,500 faces or a black mist shadowy figure 575 00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:58,020 I've personally I've seen a headless 576 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:01,860 ghost well I don't I don't think that 577 00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:05,190 they're that quite that frequent it's 578 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:06,540 not like everybody sees them but now 579 00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:10,170 let's go let's go back to the beginning 580 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,590 here tell our listeners a little bit uh 581 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:16,140 well a lot about yourself I mean how did 582 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:20,880 you become the the darling of the 583 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:23,970 Kentucky paranormal and ghost hunter 584 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:26,160 than that what would you consider 585 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:29,610 yourself a psychic researcher or I'm not 586 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:33,110 a psychic researcher but I do what I 587 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:37,320 research the most is EVP and voices 588 00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:40,290 through digital recordings as doing 589 00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:42,900 paranormal investigations and getting 590 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,430 correspondence through spirit 591 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:46,620 communication such as ghost box or 592 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:49,290 spirit box is what they call it I do 593 00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:51,300 have a gift of discernment that God gave 594 00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:54,870 me when I was young I did go to Bible 595 00:29:59,470 --> 00:29:57,630 College and graduated with a bachelor's 596 00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,480 in theology and a bachelor's in 597 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,740 Christian education and then furthered 598 00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:03,600 with a master's in Christian education 599 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,060 but I discern spirits like I see things 600 00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:14,460 I started when I was young I had a 601 00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:16,560 spiritual warfare class in college and 602 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:18,540 some weird things started happening 603 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:20,310 during that time during that class it 604 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:21,960 wasn't just myself it was some other 605 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:24,930 people in the classroom also actually I 606 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:26,670 saw so many weird things that happened 607 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:30,090 in my own home and at church and other 608 00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:32,490 places I prayed against it for a long 609 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,480 time 610 00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:35,640 then I stopped seeing these things and 611 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:37,560 then probably about five six years ago I 612 00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:39,810 started you know praying again for it I 613 00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:41,400 feel like I've matured and could handle 614 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:42,900 some things but some things in the 615 00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:47,760 spiritual world is very heavy and I 616 00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,950 think that too if we actually ever saw a 617 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:51,240 glimpse of the truth 618 00:30:56,419 --> 00:30:53,730 spiritual world that goes on our brains 619 00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:56,429 cannot comprehend it we could not handle 620 00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,370 it but I was the years have gone and now 621 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:02,640 I started seeing things again I try to 622 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:06,480 help people and find answers in these 623 00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:09,450 homes but ultimately what I do I don't 624 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:12,150 see things all the time but I usually 625 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:17,970 you know speak or in on lies EVP and I 626 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:19,650 have a lot on Soundcloud from the 627 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:20,940 different locations that I've gone to 628 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:23,910 and on YouTube the dirty ghost box 629 00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,120 that's on YouTube is Ghost Box sessions 630 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:29,100 actually have two more episodes I'm 631 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:31,290 getting ready to put up on there of 632 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:33,630 going to these locations and trying to 633 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,610 communicate with spirits the through 634 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:37,740 radio frequencies that play through all 635 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:40,740 the stations within like a second of 636 00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,809 each other very hard to pick up voices 637 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:44,940 through these things and once you start 638 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:46,890 getting voices through them and I start 639 00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:48,210 getting responses and I feel like 640 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:49,980 there's something trying to communicate 641 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,490 I'll start asking for customers because 642 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:55,260 you know I think you know there's only 643 00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:56,610 one word that you can say on the radio 644 00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:00,059 that's acceptable as hell and everything 645 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:02,220 else is oh man now there's no limit here 646 00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:05,010 we're not we're you know the FCC hides 647 00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:06,720 in the closet when we come on this is 648 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:09,870 not yes and remember we broadcast live 649 00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:15,510 from Sin City Las Vegas so don't need to 650 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:18,179 stick cotton in our ear well I started I 651 00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:20,250 start asking for cuss words and believe 652 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,790 me I've gotten a lot of responses on 653 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:25,740 there I've got a lot of sexual responses 654 00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:30,720 I've gotten cuss words children I have 655 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:33,270 one one spirit that keeps popping up 656 00:32:38,299 --> 00:32:34,710 that follows me from place to place 657 00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,309 sometimes his name's Robert he always 658 00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:41,100 shows up says his name to me I have to 659 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:44,220 ask him to leave a lot of times but 660 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:47,400 that's what I do and I grew up in a 661 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:50,160 haunted home my parents denied it when I 662 00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,370 was young some things happens with I 663 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:55,620 don't know I the handful of times I 664 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,570 stayed in my room when I was young I 665 00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:00,720 even had these dressers that had like 666 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,790 little clasp on him like he could pull 667 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:04,740 the drawers out and these little things 668 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:05,010 with 669 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,110 start jingling at night all of them 670 00:33:12,410 --> 00:33:09,480 jingle jingle jingle and they would wake 671 00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:12,420 me up and I'd get scared I mean even saw 672 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:16,680 illuminations of the hallway turns green 673 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:18,690 like a bright green I remember screaming 674 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,690 and saying help when I was probably 675 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:23,880 seven or eight and my mom came down I 676 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:25,950 don't even know if she saw the hallway 677 00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:27,570 or not but I was telling her about the 678 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:34,760 they totally denied anything that 679 00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:37,050 happened then we move we move 680 00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:39,030 and then when I'm like a junior senior 681 00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:41,220 in high school like 10 almost 10 years 682 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:43,830 after everything happened my dad starts 683 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:45,900 telling me yes this is what happened yes 684 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:49,200 you know those things happen the voices 685 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:51,210 you heard happen the there was at 686 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:52,890 nighttime in our basement you would hear 687 00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:55,560 this big boom and then you'd hear like a 688 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:57,270 metal pipe like it's rolling rolling 689 00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:58,740 rolling and then it would hit the wall 690 00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,290 and then the wall was my side of the 691 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:03,480 house in that whole side of the house 692 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:07,730 would shake and my dwarf would slam shut 693 00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,230 but all that when I was a child that 694 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:12,419 never happened never ever happened until 695 00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:14,100 we moved and I was in high school 696 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:15,720 getting ready graduate that's when my 697 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:18,240 dad and my mom finally know everything 698 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:19,370 so 699 00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:22,409 mm-hmm that's a little bit about me well 700 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:26,280 okay did did any of your your parents 701 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,830 admit that they may have had the same 702 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:34,800 kind of abilities that you have you know 703 00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,649 cuz as Michael pointed out to you the 704 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:39,240 first part of the show you know a lot of 705 00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:42,270 times these things do tend to run in 706 00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:48,000 families to a certain degree he's very I 707 00:34:53,419 --> 00:34:50,580 respect my dad he has a lot of wisdom I 708 00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:53,429 go to him over spiritual things and he 709 00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:56,100 believes me when I see the things that I 710 00:35:01,820 --> 00:34:59,130 tell him I see sometimes my mom believes 711 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:01,830 me too but I think my dad he's I'm 712 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:04,230 Pisces and my dad is Pisces so I don't 713 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:05,610 know if that has anything to do with it 714 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,040 or not being water signs but I I believe 715 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,230 that my dad has seen some things over 716 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,660 the years he's just doesn't communicate 717 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:17,040 it as well as I do 718 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:18,340 mm-hmm 719 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:21,760 he's a different generation he keeps 720 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,420 things internally instead of you know 721 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:27,280 telling everybody what he saw how he 722 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:30,370 feels or what happened to him so well it 723 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:32,410 was nice of him though to finally admit 724 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:36,550 you years later that that these things 725 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:38,020 were going on and that you just weren't 726 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:39,010 a crazy kid 727 00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,500 no I mean I've seen I pick a picture 728 00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:43,900 came off our wall I mean plain as day 729 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:45,940 like it didn't just fall off the wall it 730 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:48,490 came talk about levitation it came off 731 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:50,770 the wall and sat in the air for a moment 732 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:53,050 and then fell to the floor it was above 733 00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,470 our fire place and I was in the hallway 734 00:35:59,700 --> 00:35:58,240 to go on to my bedroom and my mom was 735 00:36:01,590 --> 00:35:59,710 back there trying to pick out clothes I 736 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:01,600 just remember having this feeling to 737 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:03,250 turn around and I turned around and I 738 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:05,530 saw that you know I told my mom about it 739 00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:08,020 and everything it was I mean shattered 740 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:10,030 with the glass everywhere and stuff and 741 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:11,710 you know she didn't believe me over that 742 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:13,390 but you know I was young I was the only 743 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:16,210 person see it but that's the remembering 744 00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:18,370 that time that you know that thing came 745 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,840 off the wall and it sat there for a 746 00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:22,480 moment and then went to the ground it 747 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:24,520 terrified me as a kid and then they were 748 00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:26,470 telling me no it didn't happen so I'm 749 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:28,660 glad that ventually they finally said 750 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:31,000 yes it did so they actually think 751 00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:32,650 believe that this spirit that was in 752 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:35,560 that house followed us to our new home 753 00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:38,950 that we built the first night that all 754 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:41,950 the stayed in that house my bedroom was 755 00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,250 above the garage and we had about 100 756 00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:47,200 paint cans in the garage at that time 757 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,080 and in the middle that night here boom 758 00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,000 boom boom in the moon and like oh my 759 00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:53,680 goodness what's going on it was so loud 760 00:36:58,590 --> 00:36:55,750 and so scary my daddy even got his gun 761 00:37:00,660 --> 00:36:58,600 out and we go down to the basement 762 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:00,670 thinking all these paint cans paint cans 763 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:03,160 had fallen over and everything and 764 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:05,710 nothing there was nothing there and we 765 00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:08,950 prayed over the home we've anointed the 766 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:10,540 doors and windows and everything and 767 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:13,300 then after that nothing ever happened 768 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:17,190 again living about in my home so just 769 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,630 the just the spirit letting you know 770 00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:21,040 that he hadn't forgotten about you even 771 00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:23,140 though that's Charlie you tried to get 772 00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:28,270 away from always wanted to go I drove by 773 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,100 that house I grew up in not too long ago 774 00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:31,760 took some pictures and 775 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:33,350 love to go back in that house and find 776 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:34,910 out who's there and if anything happens 777 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:36,920 there because it was just it was a 778 00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:38,450 creepy home there was an old lady that 779 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:39,800 lived there that passed away in the 780 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:42,710 house my dad even before he got married 781 00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:45,260 he lived there several years and he 782 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:47,270 would hear people talking and people 783 00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:49,490 walking upstairs and nobody's upstairs 784 00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:51,620 and things so I was curious if that 785 00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:53,780 still goes on there yeah 786 00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,120 well yeah I mean that's that's a lot of 787 00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:59,210 energy taking place you know there so I 788 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:01,270 mean you know you think it would be 789 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:04,340 something still hanging around well I 790 00:38:09,550 --> 00:38:06,650 mean we had friends that would come and 791 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:09,560 spend a night and went and stay and one 792 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:11,330 of my brother's best friends remembered 793 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:14,150 seeing me he thought it was me walk past 794 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:16,190 my brother's room and heard all these 795 00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:18,110 kitchen cabinets opening and shouting 796 00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,580 and stuff and he was really thirsty and 797 00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:20,720 he was scared to get up because he's 798 00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,460 saying that it's buddy's house our house 799 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:25,280 and so he finally gets up and goes to 800 00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:26,930 the kitchen and there's nobody in there 801 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:30,620 so needless to say they called his 802 00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:32,090 parents they came and got him at like 803 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:33,470 2:00 o'clock in the morning and he never 804 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:37,850 stayed again well you know every this 805 00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:40,970 kind of brings up the the point is that 806 00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:44,600 the the homes that are haunted are they 807 00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:46,040 following you 808 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,700 well I think that spirits if you want to 809 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:52,640 talk about like in a demon possession it 810 00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:55,370 can which is this is not a possession I 811 00:39:03,450 --> 00:38:59,180 would call it an oppression but I they 812 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:03,460 inhabit lands people or animals so I 813 00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:06,250 think that it would possibly something 814 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,590 that followed us because it was attached 815 00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:12,560 to our home or our family dynamic 816 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:14,540 but then when we did the things that we 817 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:16,610 needed to do to get rid of it it went 818 00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:18,650 back to what it was familiar with so I 819 00:39:22,450 --> 00:39:20,390 believe that it went back to the land it 820 00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:22,460 came from and possibly has done things 821 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:24,500 there but I won't ever truly know until 822 00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:26,510 I get back into that house and find out 823 00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:31,220 that I don't know who lives there let me 824 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:35,740 come with a squishy 825 00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:40,810 eklund okay okay and were there other 826 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,340 places around there they were I mean was 827 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:45,720 it like on haunted 828 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,160 inde inland or we have a place where 829 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:52,079 there have been a Civil War battle or 830 00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,150 anything like that we have a lot of 831 00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:56,700 Idina burial grounds I used to be the 832 00:40:00,740 --> 00:39:58,619 residential paranormal investigator for 833 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:00,750 the Seton Manor that's in our historical 834 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:03,900 district down by our Ashland Park 835 00:40:08,059 --> 00:40:06,690 it's very haunted it's probably one of 836 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:08,069 the most haunted locations I ever 837 00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,890 investigated ever in my life and we've 838 00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,480 got the original blueprints from this 839 00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,579 house we have a dino a denied burial 840 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,980 grounds are in Central Park well I got 841 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:19,680 these old maps from back in the late 842 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,170 1800s and these burial grounds extended 843 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:24,000 all the way down Bath Avenue which is 844 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,250 the historical district that the Seton 845 00:40:31,549 --> 00:40:28,740 Manor sits on and then on the blueprints 846 00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:31,559 of the home it says Edina in the 847 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:33,990 basement had a big huge X on it so I 848 00:40:38,809 --> 00:40:36,510 don't know if they built over top of 849 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:38,819 that or they removed the Indian burial 850 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:40,440 grounds and put the remains somewhere 851 00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:43,260 else that house is extremely haunted I 852 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:46,140 mean you get everything in that home you 853 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:48,539 get poltergeist activity you get your 854 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:52,049 voices you get shadow figures you get 855 00:40:57,769 --> 00:40:54,450 full-body apparitions that house is 856 00:41:02,990 --> 00:40:57,779 amazing it's for sale to buy no no they 857 00:41:06,019 --> 00:41:03,000 wants to buy it's on Zillow we furnish 858 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,029 some places I mean we had some guests on 859 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:08,400 the on the program here that have 860 00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:10,529 investigated a few places that there are 861 00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:13,619 so haunted that you know they've seen 862 00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:15,390 things levitating around the year the 863 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:19,079 room and a frigerator fall over I mean 864 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:23,369 just some remarkable things going on now 865 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:25,890 when did the how did you realize that 866 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,690 you could actually pick up EVP or voices 867 00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,520 I mean what were you sitting around the 868 00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:34,319 table with a tape recorder or something 869 00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:37,980 one day or well what what happened with 870 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:41,190 that was that growing up in that home 871 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:42,900 that I grew up in and you could hear 872 00:41:51,019 --> 00:41:48,089 those voices and things in that house as 873 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:51,029 I got older I started thinking if I 874 00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:53,430 heard these voices audibly with my own 875 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:54,119 ears 876 00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:56,490 you know there's somehow or something I 877 00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,490 can record and I took an old it was a 878 00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:02,040 player Tosh it was one of those great 879 00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:03,660 big huge ones my brother and my cousin 880 00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,780 we're doing some tape recordings and 881 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,480 stuff with my grandma's house but it was 882 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:11,880 a huge tape recorder and I started I 883 00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:14,070 wish I had to tape now and I hit record 884 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,500 on it and I just started like talking 885 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:18,930 like I normally talk like in any kind of 886 00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,410 conversation actually I like to record 887 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,940 mostly when we're not even paying 888 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,400 attention to spirits like if just in a 889 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:28,320 daily conversation or if we're in a 890 00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:29,850 location and everybody starts talking 891 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,300 and cutting up I get more EVPs through 892 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:35,820 us not even paying attention to the 893 00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:38,610 ghost or trying to find answers then 894 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,100 actually asking direct questions to them 895 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:44,040 but I had this recorder at my 896 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:45,930 grandmother's house and it was on the 897 00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,490 table and I started recording and then 898 00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:49,980 when I played back I heard a voice in 899 00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:53,430 there that said hello and I know I 900 00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:56,790 didn't say hello and I was probably twin 901 00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:58,770 you see no I was younger than that I was 902 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:02,040 probably 16 maybe at the time and then 903 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:04,050 as I got older and then got more 904 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:06,690 involved in the paranormal probably in 905 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:11,010 my mid-20s I started getting into the 906 00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,000 digital recorders and it had some 907 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:17,460 recorders you know laying around but 908 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:20,010 really truthfully in my 30s is when I 909 00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:21,690 really got involved with it and I have 910 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,820 the Olympus record of all time these 911 00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:26,400 paranormal investigators use these this 912 00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:29,340 old-school Panasonic are RDR 60 which 913 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,020 I'm not a huge big fan on it but they're 914 00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:34,020 like $1,200 $1,500 now I think they were 915 00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,270 built in 1998 but I use Olympus WS 400 916 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:41,280 digital recorder and I have several I 917 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:42,680 have like six of them total 918 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,650 they are amazing amazing at Class A EVPs 919 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,160 all the time 920 00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,440 direct I mean you name it I have it on 921 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:55,740 soundcloud if you go to SoundCloud 922 00:44:00,080 --> 00:43:57,930 backslash Frick and frack paranormal all 923 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,090 one word you can hear a ton of EVPs 924 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:02,400 every one of them on there except maybe 925 00:44:10,070 --> 00:44:05,750 two or three is is directly from olympus 926 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:10,080 recorder so that's my go to so so the 927 00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:12,630 type of device that you have may 928 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:16,940 to difference I think so the Panasonic 929 00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:20,370 RDR 60 that everybody uses even on these 930 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:24,030 TV shows other TV shows it has a lot of 931 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,310 white noise playback and then when you 932 00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:28,740 play it back right there in front of a 933 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:33,660 customer anything that to me I feel like 934 00:44:41,570 --> 00:44:38,120 the responses could be misleading i 935 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:41,580 amplified earbuds or headphones when 936 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:43,230 investigating so I hear everything a 937 00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:44,910 hundred times stronger than anybody else 938 00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,150 but a lot of times if you play that back 939 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:50,520 they think it says one thing right there 940 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:52,050 in person but if you take that piece and 941 00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,790 you put that you take it home you 942 00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:54,900 evaluate it says something totally 943 00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,370 different with the Olympus ws 400 and it 944 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:01,140 back with my amplified earphones you can 945 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:03,290 definitely hear what's being said 946 00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:06,750 unfortunately without the earbuds or the 947 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:09,720 headphones the Olympus speaker does not 948 00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,130 play back loud enough for you to 949 00:45:16,850 --> 00:45:14,220 actually hear it audibly without any you 950 00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:16,860 know type of equipment and to enhance it 951 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:19,860 but that's one thing you know I I 952 00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,250 noticed in listening to a lot of these 953 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:25,680 EVPs is that you could interpret them in 954 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,070 several different ways I mean you you 955 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:30,960 couldn't you know like if two or three 956 00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,790 people would step there and listen to 957 00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:35,520 the the playback and would hear 958 00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,510 something different you know no III knew 959 00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:41,940 actually there was a fellow by the name 960 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:44,580 of Stuart Rob who's long since deceased 961 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:48,300 and he was doing this back in the 1960s 962 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:51,960 and went over his house he lived in 963 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:54,930 Anaheim California and in those days the 964 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,090 the messages if you want to call it 965 00:46:02,180 --> 00:45:59,940 messages were just a couple of words now 966 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:02,190 I've noticed that they they've gotten a 967 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,880 little bit more detailed is it the 968 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:08,400 technology that's improved it or have 969 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,370 the spirits become more technologically 970 00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:14,460 advanced I think it's the actual 971 00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:16,500 technology and all of these frequencies 972 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:20,100 that we deal with a lot of times spirits 973 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:22,290 like to communicate through frequencies 974 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:23,970 so the more frequencies they have and 975 00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:25,590 the more that we have increased in 976 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:26,550 technology 977 00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:28,170 then obviously we're going to get more 978 00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:31,500 responses so I think that we've come a 979 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,320 long way compared to Thomas Edison days 980 00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:37,920 and yes these in the 70s and things and 981 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:40,550 there's more than one way to communicate 982 00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:44,010 spiritually with with a ghost and with 983 00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:46,940 them to communicate with us and plus I 984 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:50,070 remember yeah just going to say I 985 00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:51,810 remember in the old days Michael maybe 986 00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,300 you did too there was a the spirit come 987 00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:55,980 remember this fellow that used to 988 00:47:04,520 --> 00:46:58,110 receive messages I can't remember who 989 00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:04,530 they were from but it yeah yeah yeah I 990 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:04,920 did 991 00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,110 I do too but it'll come to me by the end 992 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:10,140 of the show I'm sure but ok what's 993 00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:14,970 unusual about your messages or our tapes 994 00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:19,400 is that the the ghosts are often very 995 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:22,800 blatant in the language that they that 996 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:28,050 they use yeah well and I asked for it so 997 00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:30,690 I mean you know I tell them to say a 998 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:33,720 cuss word and they say it back to me I 999 00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,770 mean they they they say a lot of sexual 1000 00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:39,990 terms to I don't ask for sexual terms 1001 00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:47,430 I'm not the naughty person but let me 1002 00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:52,440 determine that well I've heard a couple 1003 00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:54,630 of your I've heard a couple of good 1004 00:48:04,040 --> 00:47:58,590 tapes they they use the word piss of 1005 00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,050 what frequently piss off all right we 1006 00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:06,180 thought with with those words Tim we're 1007 00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:08,670 going to have to interrupt it and go to 1008 00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:11,100 our top of the hour break so when we 1009 00:48:15,970 --> 00:48:12,630 come back we'll continue with more 1010 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:15,980 naughty words on exploring the bizarre 1011 00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:29,190 [Music] 1012 00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,700 explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride 1013 00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,160 into the world of the paranormal 1014 00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:39,440 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1015 00:48:46,859 --> 00:48:43,750 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1016 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:46,869 ghosts Lost Worlds 1017 00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:49,250 cryptozoology as well as other 1018 00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,089 dimensions it's time to take back the 1019 00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:55,359 night last night 1020 00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:58,970 now your electrifying hosts of exploring 1021 00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:02,210 the bizarre Timothy Begley and team 1022 00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:09,020 sports welcome back to the second power 1023 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:11,569 of exploring the bizarre tonight we're 1024 00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,329 talking with Michael Gross oh and Emily 1025 00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:17,599 men house steakley now Michael I wanted 1026 00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:25,359 to talk to you about the your book about 1027 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:28,420 levitating Saints the man who could fly 1028 00:49:38,109 --> 00:49:32,450 st. Joseph and the mystery of levitation 1029 00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:38,119 now I know that you you were talking to 1030 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:40,809 earlier about you know like some of your 1031 00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,730 fellow philosophers who you know we're 1032 00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:45,680 kind of making fun of some of the 1033 00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:48,980 experiences that you had and I could see 1034 00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:53,510 how some people would have doubts about 1035 00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:56,839 things like ESP in telepathy and things 1036 00:50:03,099 --> 00:50:00,140 like that but when it comes to something 1037 00:50:05,289 --> 00:50:03,109 like levitation and I mean there is a 1038 00:50:07,059 --> 00:50:05,299 real physical phenomena that if you've 1039 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:07,069 got somebody you know like floating over 1040 00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:09,190 your head with no discernible wires 1041 00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:12,140 that's a little bit more difficult to a 1042 00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:18,200 dismiss to accept so many people but I 1043 00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:21,380 mean it's based on what you know I mean 1044 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:26,390 an experience in my case I already first 1045 00:50:31,299 --> 00:50:27,410 of all I knew something about 1046 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,309 poltergeists and I knew there all kinds 1047 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:33,920 of levitation not just bodily but 1048 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,250 objects that levitate that behave in 1049 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:39,440 ways that they're counted gravitational 1050 00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:43,130 but I myself had to experience 1051 00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:45,320 which I'll just briefly describe one was 1052 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,620 a oh I think it was at some conference 1053 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:50,480 our psychological conference I got 1054 00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:53,930 together with two people and we put our 1055 00:51:02,440 --> 00:50:58,730 hands on a table that Lou taking a break 1056 00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:02,450 and between lectures and we were in some 1057 00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:05,630 one of our rooms put our hands on that 1058 00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:09,470 paper on that it was a small table it 1059 00:51:18,070 --> 00:51:14,180 took off man it actually mean we were 1060 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:18,080 touching it and but it just got up in it 1061 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:20,210 it moved around and it went right 1062 00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:22,250 through the door and was running up and 1063 00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:26,840 down with us chasing it barely touching 1064 00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,840 it up and down the hallway in this hotel 1065 00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,000 was really an amazing experience so that 1066 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:34,880 I mean that that blew my mind and and 1067 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:37,490 then the other experience which I'll 1068 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:40,370 just mention again briefly it was an 1069 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:43,250 experiment in a class you guys probably 1070 00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:46,250 know about a game the kids played light 1071 00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,220 is it light as a feather yes where they 1072 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:52,160 you know touch each other and one of 1073 00:51:57,130 --> 00:51:53,870 them may blow it up in the air or 1074 00:51:59,110 --> 00:51:57,140 something so this was me some one of my 1075 00:52:01,240 --> 00:51:59,120 students mentioned it in the class it 1076 00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:01,250 was a team taught course on human 1077 00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:04,190 personality and it's unusual abilities 1078 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:05,480 or something I've forgotten the name of 1079 00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:08,230 it that's how we got into this stage 1080 00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:14,630 trying experiments so we tried a lie as 1081 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:15,670 a feather 1082 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:20,930 with a 200-pound ex-marine and four 1083 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:26,210 ladies who just touched him on with 1084 00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:28,850 their backs of their two fingers around 1085 00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:31,670 the knees and around the elbows and 1086 00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,480 after breathing in unison and chanting a 1087 00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:38,480 few moments I said lift and to my utter 1088 00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,580 amazement and everybody's amazement the 1089 00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:42,800 entire class including the marine 1090 00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:45,350 another think if a look on his face up 1091 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:47,750 in the air he went as far as those girls 1092 00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:49,730 could reach they would make no effort 1093 00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:52,040 there was no pressing they just touched 1094 00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:54,950 him just by touching a little company in 1095 00:52:58,270 --> 00:52:56,660 a Ouija board you know 1096 00:53:00,100 --> 00:52:58,280 you've had the experience you know you 1097 00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:00,110 touch it in a move there's some kind of 1098 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:04,780 unconscious force but a 200 pound mean 1099 00:53:10,570 --> 00:53:06,770 without any effort 1100 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:10,580 that was a striking experience yeah I 1101 00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:13,130 can verify I could verify that happens 1102 00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:15,560 because we've done the same experiment 1103 00:53:22,090 --> 00:53:19,340 ourselves and up they go right right I 1104 00:53:23,860 --> 00:53:22,100 mean it now I have to say I tried to do 1105 00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:23,870 it many other times I never succeeded 1106 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:26,390 hmm but that one time that I did succeed 1107 00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:29,150 was because the class we were in rapport 1108 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:31,460 we used to meditate together chant 1109 00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:34,370 together and so we had that rapport 1110 00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:36,080 that's the only explanation why I only 1111 00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:39,140 succeeded once but yeah it's not that I 1112 00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,060 tried it every time we had in class but 1113 00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:43,520 I tried it many times and without any 1114 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:46,940 success but anyway as far as Jose Joseph 1115 00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:52,250 of Cupertino he's probably the one of 1116 00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:55,940 the most interesting cases on record not 1117 00:54:03,150 --> 00:53:57,950 only a full levitation but for a whole 1118 00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:03,160 range of paranormal phenomena and the 1119 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:08,240 interesting thing about the Joseph was 1120 00:54:13,450 --> 00:54:11,330 that he couldn't control the levitations 1121 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:13,460 because he was embarrassed as many other 1122 00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:15,890 Saints we levitating that get totally 1123 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,470 embarrassed they pray very hard and and 1124 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:21,680 the ability we tempted go away but not 1125 00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:27,310 Joseph for 35 years he would be 1126 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:29,900 responsive and going to ecstasy the 1127 00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:31,490 important thing to remember is he never 1128 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:33,590 did this unless he was in an unusual 1129 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:35,240 state of mind he was in an ecstatic 1130 00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:39,200 state and what would trigger an ecstatic 1131 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:41,240 state could be anything someone could 1132 00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:43,970 say oh how beautiful God sky is today 1133 00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:44,390 brother 1134 00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:48,950 yeah Wow up in the air if you go there 1135 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:52,100 are so many stories in you know record 1136 00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:53,450 in the book that are totally 1137 00:55:02,410 --> 00:54:56,980 entertaining strange and incredible but 1138 00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:02,420 you have here at least 150 I was I 1139 00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,220 witness sworn sworn witness testimony 1140 00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:10,240 about Joseph's phenomena 1141 00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:13,400 for a period of 35 years he was called 1142 00:55:21,310 --> 00:55:18,320 up by the Inquisition several times but 1143 00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:21,320 not because there's any doubts about the 1144 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:23,030 phenomena that what they wanted to know 1145 00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:25,910 was his attitude toward these phenomena 1146 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:29,390 because we had the wrong attitude that 1147 00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:32,450 would imply that and this is just stupid 1148 00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:35,480 narrow-minded on the part of the 17th 1149 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:37,910 century church but it had to be the 1150 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:40,370 devil that was doing it so there was no 1151 00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:44,240 question about witnesses one of the one 1152 00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:45,830 of the great popes the same popes that 1153 00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:49,750 was having a hard time galileo witnessed 1154 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:53,030 joseph levitate and you know in a pope 1155 00:56:02,050 --> 00:55:56,890 don't just make up stories you know and 1156 00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:02,060 and 150 eyewitnesses in fact these are 1157 00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:06,350 100 to 150 written down by witnesses my 1158 00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:10,790 calculation is is that the 35 years he 1159 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:13,550 was levitating in public on numerous 1160 00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:16,790 occasions crowd people came from all 1161 00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:20,420 over Italy to to see this because you 1162 00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:22,580 know he was famous for his holiness and 1163 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:25,070 his healing powers and his limitations 1164 00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:30,610 and his amazing telepathy got he was so 1165 00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:33,920 good at reading people's minds that his 1166 00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:36,950 superiors would tell me how about eating 1167 00:56:42,910 --> 00:56:40,310 an awful and Joseph take it easy stop 1168 00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:42,920 exposing us like if someone was not 1169 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:44,780 thinking of the right thing while they 1170 00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:46,070 were saying prayers they were thinking 1171 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:48,830 about dinner or something he'd catch 1172 00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:50,930 them out and say you're thinking about 1173 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:52,790 those chestnuts that you picked this 1174 00:57:00,910 --> 00:56:56,510 afternoon and so anyway so just it's 1175 00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:00,920 quite an amazing the case of an 1176 00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:05,780 embodiment of the super you know super 1177 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:08,630 super normal abilities a whole range of 1178 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:10,910 them and I'm very interested in kind 1179 00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:13,610 understanding you know two things what's 1180 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:16,300 the psychological background of this and 1181 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:19,070 what what this physics have to say about 1182 00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:21,410 it and it turns out there quite a number 1183 00:57:25,540 --> 00:57:23,360 of physicists that are interesting 1184 00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:25,550 Asian and some whom I've gotten to know 1185 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:28,580 and have even suggested ideas to me 1186 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:31,190 which I discuss in the book possible 1187 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:35,930 explanations of how you know full bodily 1188 00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:38,810 limitation is possible but I think this 1189 00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:41,900 is an enormous ly interesting phenomenon 1190 00:57:47,650 --> 00:57:45,350 because it's it's really in your in your 1191 00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:47,660 face challenge to your understanding of 1192 00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,790 physical reality how is it how are these 1193 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:52,160 things possible it tells us something 1194 00:57:58,660 --> 00:57:55,070 about the theory of religion it suggests 1195 00:58:00,400 --> 00:57:58,670 that all the many miracles reported in 1196 00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:00,410 all different religions there may be 1197 00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,660 something there me the map grains of 1198 00:58:06,580 --> 00:58:04,400 truth to them of course Joseph is not 1199 00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,590 the only case where you have good eye 1200 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:09,040 witness testimony and not the only 1201 00:58:14,830 --> 00:58:12,020 religion because you have a rich 1202 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:14,840 tradition of levitation in Buddhism 1203 00:58:21,090 --> 00:58:16,610 there are a whole bunch of books out 1204 00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:21,100 about levitation among the famous 1205 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:23,840 Buddhists and a lot of hard work that 1206 00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,570 goes back to the 17th century 1207 00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:28,720 illustrating endless varieties of 1208 00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:34,820 paintings of flying Buddhist monks so 1209 00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:39,220 and then you have it among the mediums 1210 00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:41,960 dede home the most famous physical 1211 00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:44,510 medium is said to have levitated at 1212 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:48,340 least 150 times and then there are these 1213 00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:52,570 these cases of sort of what I call 1214 00:58:59,110 --> 00:58:56,600 slow-motion levitations where I had one 1215 00:59:01,920 --> 00:58:59,120 guy in a radio show phoned in and 1216 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:01,930 described how he had fallen off a boat 1217 00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:04,850 with a bunch of friends and he was about 1218 00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:07,100 to go under and get sucked under by this 1219 00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:09,740 huge propeller when he suddenly slowed 1220 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:12,950 up in the air and everybody on that boat 1221 00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:15,730 his three friends witnessed and 1222 00:59:22,060 --> 00:59:19,040 confirmed the fact that somehow he was 1223 00:59:24,490 --> 00:59:22,070 he slowed up just enough that he could 1224 00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:24,500 grab a rope and save himself from being 1225 00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:26,660 destroyed so I'm causing quite a number 1226 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:29,060 of stories like that there's a lot of 1227 00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:32,290 levitation going on in sports and dance 1228 00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:36,200 but they're sort of into woven with high 1229 00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:37,070 performance 1230 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:40,780 it's not quite as dramatic as as a 1231 00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:46,090 mystic or an ecstatic poet or someone 1232 00:59:53,170 --> 00:59:48,380 literally get carried away and goes up 1233 00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:53,180 in the air so it's a fascinating subject 1234 00:59:59,650 --> 00:59:57,500 and a one that really does challenge our 1235 01:00:01,690 --> 00:59:59,660 understanding of the nature of the 1236 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:01,700 relationship between mind and body which 1237 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:05,090 is my philosophical sort of interest in 1238 01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:09,410 this whole subject I mean what is the 1239 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:11,060 relationship between the mind the body 1240 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:14,330 mainstream science tends to lean toward 1241 01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:16,370 materialism and think that the mind is 1242 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:19,430 just a byproduct of feeble byproduct of 1243 01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,210 the mind I think it's the opposite it we 1244 01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,520 cannot escape everything we experiences 1245 01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:27,920 through our minds and our minds are 1246 01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:31,430 shaping realities constantly and every 1247 01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:34,700 now and then in very dramatic ways and 1248 01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:37,190 it's those dramatic ways that the mind 1249 01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:39,140 impacts on the body that particularly 1250 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:42,670 interests me and then I I keep 1251 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:46,130 collecting case histories and looking at 1252 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:51,850 my own life for indications of strange 1253 01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:55,490 phenomena what is there is there as 1254 01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:57,710 Michael is there Michael is there a 1255 01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:02,480 secret to levitation I mean is this 1256 01:01:10,090 --> 01:01:06,500 particular st. did he have some quality 1257 01:01:12,430 --> 01:01:10,100 I mean certainly just believing in God 1258 01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:12,440 or something isn't gonna make you float 1259 01:01:18,610 --> 01:01:16,040 off the float off a floor belief belief 1260 01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:18,620 has virtually nothing to do with there 1261 01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:19,910 oh I mean belief is an important 1262 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:22,550 variable in kind of psychology but the 1263 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:25,250 belief means more than just a kind of a 1264 01:01:31,150 --> 01:01:28,820 pale cognitive ascent that something is 1265 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:31,160 real no I think the secret is 1266 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:35,810 undoubtedly the I think that the secrets 1267 01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:38,090 is the whole range of extraordinary 1268 01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,780 phenomena is a special type of altered 1269 01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:43,760 state of consciousness and we're all 1270 01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:46,940 familiar with more or less ecstasy I 1271 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:48,590 mean we've all been have you ever been 1272 01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:50,970 totally happy will you practically feel 1273 01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,980 you're about to fly you get good news 1274 01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,839 you suddenly realize you're in love with 1275 01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:56,339 somebody and you're walking along and 1276 01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:58,650 you feel light as a feather I mean we've 1277 01:02:04,359 --> 01:02:01,619 all had those experiences of lightening 1278 01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,369 up you know as a matter of degree 1279 01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,380 because we may be carried away for a 1280 01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:09,540 moment because you know we got a lucky 1281 01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:11,550 break in some part of our lives 1282 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:15,359 but a mystic like Joseph or some you 1283 01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:18,450 know Buddhists mystics or other types 1284 01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:23,280 are constantly focused their minds are 1285 01:02:28,819 --> 01:02:25,470 focused to the exclusion of everything 1286 01:02:31,819 --> 01:02:28,829 outside of them on a single idea and 1287 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:31,829 it's usually an idea that exalted 1288 01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:34,530 elevated you know it's as though there's 1289 01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:37,380 a state of mind that you can get into 1290 01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:39,619 where a metaphor becomes in reality 1291 01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:42,900 where you know is we say I was so 1292 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:45,150 carried away by the sight of that 1293 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:49,410 beautiful painting well it's in the case 1294 01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:51,210 of the some of the great not all 1295 01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:53,190 obviously but some of the great mystics 1296 01:03:01,780 --> 01:02:57,569 or inspired people or ruddy stripe in 1297 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:01,790 color it carried away in a profoundly 1298 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:05,250 more intensive and convincing fashion 1299 01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:07,050 yeah I think there's a matter of degree 1300 01:03:15,290 --> 01:03:10,140 I think there's a continuity a spectrum 1301 01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:15,300 of stages of mind where we're all well 1302 01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:17,579 you know at the edge where we could slip 1303 01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:20,040 off into something extraordinary and 1304 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:21,900 that's what have you heard have you 1305 01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:23,910 heard any story have you heard any 1306 01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,369 stories about like Native American 1307 01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:29,520 shamans or shamans along the the Amazon 1308 01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:33,750 that have have this ability yeah yes yes 1309 01:03:45,849 --> 01:03:41,579 and and material and I'm finding books 1310 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:45,859 that are written on the subject that I 1311 01:03:51,790 --> 01:03:48,210 didn't even know in fact recent in the 1312 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:51,800 past year or so even after my book 1313 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:54,089 emailed I could come out with two books 1314 01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,690 on Joseph I've come across some some new 1315 01:04:01,069 --> 01:03:59,940 new books on the subject now you say 1316 01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:01,079 you've written them you guys have 1317 01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:02,790 written a book or one of these one 1318 01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:04,660 levitation well yes we 1319 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:08,160 we have a fellow who is a military 1320 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:11,530 background and he claims a Tim you 1321 01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:12,970 co-authored the book with them with 1322 01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,980 commander X yes that's correct 1323 01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:17,200 yeah that even the government is working 1324 01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:20,520 on experimentation with the limitation 1325 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:24,880 Wow so it apparently it according to him 1326 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:27,490 at you know inside area 51 which we 1327 01:04:36,359 --> 01:04:33,609 can't confirm certainly and now even 1328 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:36,369 some of the these UFO sightings I mean 1329 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:39,490 if you see these these objects they they 1330 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:42,250 dart about the the the sky now some 1331 01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:44,530 people say well it's it's teleportation 1332 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:47,079 but it's a matter of moving from one 1333 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:50,940 spot to another almost instantaneously 1334 01:04:58,039 --> 01:04:53,920 right right no there's no doubt that 1335 01:05:00,900 --> 01:04:58,049 there's lots of accounts of various 1336 01:05:05,180 --> 01:05:00,910 levitation effects I mean there's 1337 01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:05,190 stories of abductees that 11 oh yes well 1338 01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:08,710 the way of the woman and Linda who lives 1339 01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:10,150 in the lower Manhattan who was 1340 01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:11,859 supposedly floated outside of her window 1341 01:05:17,059 --> 01:05:15,190 and and went inside the you know the the 1342 01:05:21,569 --> 01:05:17,069 spaceship and it was witnessed from the 1343 01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:21,579 from the the street in fact I've always 1344 01:05:26,849 --> 01:05:23,799 had a lot of the works that I've written 1345 01:05:29,099 --> 01:05:26,859 on the subject I always make a parallel 1346 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:29,109 between what happens in a darkened 1347 01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:31,930 seance room to what happens in a at a 1348 01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:35,640 UFO landing site it's often very very 1349 01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:39,309 similar in in nature so did you have a 1350 01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:41,950 sudden that one very tremendous UFO 1351 01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,680 experience that you described earlier in 1352 01:05:51,809 --> 01:05:46,480 the show did you ever see anything else 1353 01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:51,819 that would be in that category you even 1354 01:06:01,410 --> 01:05:56,160 a youth you for yes yeah well either one 1355 01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:01,420 surprised us yeah no no I can't no the 1356 01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,900 only really striking levitation things 1357 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:07,119 that I observed myself was that the the 1358 01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:11,020 the story of that marine that we 1359 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:15,520 levitate and and then the the object at 1360 01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:18,370 the table that was star 1361 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:25,180 and in really quite striking but I've 1362 01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:27,370 heard stories I mean I have reports of 1363 01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:30,760 various people who have had levitation 1364 01:06:36,750 --> 01:06:34,080 experiences and and of course I've read 1365 01:06:39,450 --> 01:06:36,760 you know extensively in literature 1366 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:39,460 there's probably just in it in the 1367 01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:44,290 Catholic literature alone at least 200 1368 01:06:50,610 --> 01:06:47,500 cases where there is decent 1369 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:50,620 eyewitness testimony of levitation 1370 01:06:55,950 --> 01:06:53,410 Joseph was the champ and that's why I 1371 01:06:59,310 --> 01:06:55,960 picked him because there is so much 1372 01:07:03,930 --> 01:06:59,320 eyewitness testimony there's no way you 1373 01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:03,940 can you can you know deny the reality of 1374 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:06,070 this you know my book when I first had 1375 01:07:13,890 --> 01:07:08,410 it published I had Oxford University 1376 01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:13,900 Press had accepted the proposal I wrote 1377 01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:16,480 the book for them and everybody was gung 1378 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:19,480 ho for the book to be published the last 1379 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:23,050 minute and some philosopher nameless 1380 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:26,800 crawls out of the out of the corner and 1381 01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:31,450 says we cannot have we Oxford University 1382 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:32,110 Press 1383 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:36,130 publish a book about a monk who's flying 1384 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,860 around for 35 years he didn't he didn't 1385 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:41,680 say the case that you've made grow so it 1386 01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:44,290 was not valid he said it just doesn't 1387 01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:48,460 look good on a rubber so and so they 1388 01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:50,220 gave him the option if I turn it down 1389 01:07:55,350 --> 01:07:53,230 they'll publish I said no way I said I 1390 01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:55,360 wrote the book we saw how do you how do 1391 01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,370 you marry how do you tone down a 1392 01:08:05,490 --> 01:07:59,680 limitation you only get two feet above 1393 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:05,500 the floor instead of 20 I mean I didn't 1394 01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:07,690 have to say anything all I had to do was 1395 01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:09,910 report and describe what those people 1396 01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,640 were saying and it was obvious I never 1397 01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:14,880 even had to conclude therefore 1398 01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:17,710 limitation you have to be a [\h__\h] not to 1399 01:08:23,610 --> 01:08:19,870 see from all of these quotes that I 1400 01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:23,620 provide that this is this is for real 1401 01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:25,350 unlike you want to have some fantastic 1402 01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:28,390 theory that everybody's lying reality 1403 01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:30,580 deluded you see 1404 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:33,680 hallucination don't you think that I 1405 01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:36,890 mean this is what what's in a lot of 1406 01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:39,880 cases prevent science from moving 1407 01:08:44,590 --> 01:08:42,920 forward because I mean oh okay you can 1408 01:08:47,230 --> 01:08:44,600 be skeptical about something there's no 1409 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:47,240 doubt about that and if you haven't read 1410 01:08:51,790 --> 01:08:49,010 any of the literature on levitation you 1411 01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,800 might say well Michael Grosso is you 1412 01:08:56,710 --> 01:08:54,560 know has made it up out of whole cloth 1413 01:08:57,460 --> 01:08:56,720 or something like that instead of Holy 1414 01:09:02,800 --> 01:08:57,470 Cora 1415 01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,810 cloth but you know what why not take the 1416 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:05,120 time to spend the you know like even 1417 01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:07,850 half a day looking into something to see 1418 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:09,260 if there's anything to it and just say 1419 01:09:16,510 --> 01:09:12,410 no my mind is my mind is closed it can't 1420 01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:16,520 possibly be that way I mean yeah and 1421 01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:22,040 many many academics are really invested 1422 01:09:26,559 --> 01:09:24,500 in their and their way of looking at 1423 01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:26,569 things their careers are based upon 1424 01:09:31,450 --> 01:09:29,900 certain ideas that they've developed and 1425 01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:31,460 if you come along with something that 1426 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:32,900 doesn't fit I've had somebody 1427 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:35,480 interesting story dozen writing a small 1428 01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:38,890 book about just the different weird 1429 01:09:44,650 --> 01:09:42,319 reactions to people when I present my 1430 01:09:47,140 --> 01:09:44,660 book will present my ideas lots of folks 1431 01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:47,150 are totally you know open-minded and and 1432 01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:50,359 fascinated and curious but those who are 1433 01:09:56,710 --> 01:09:53,540 who are not it's just very interesting 1434 01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:56,720 to see how devious and and how 1435 01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:00,280 transparently absurd their responses are 1436 01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:03,920 and I I find that interesting and it 1437 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:05,720 tells it this tells us something about 1438 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:08,330 the rigidity of the cognitive apparatus 1439 01:10:13,690 --> 01:10:11,570 of many people especially those who are 1440 01:10:16,030 --> 01:10:13,700 more educated because they've got more 1441 01:10:19,540 --> 01:10:16,040 at stake I'd read that book if you wrote 1442 01:10:21,010 --> 01:10:19,550 it Michael that's that would be that 1443 01:10:24,190 --> 01:10:21,020 would be fascinating I'd love to read 1444 01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:24,200 that do you think it's getting it's 1445 01:10:29,950 --> 01:10:26,060 getting better or worse would you say 1446 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:29,960 you know this is a good question I have 1447 01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:33,290 a lot of friends in the field who have 1448 01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:36,710 the feeling that that there's that 1449 01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:38,990 they're signs of breakthrough I mean I 1450 01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:40,820 have physicist friends interested in 1451 01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:41,540 levitation 1452 01:10:44,170 --> 01:10:43,790 I know people that are interested in the 1453 01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:44,180 you 1454 01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:47,540 levitation connection serious people but 1455 01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:50,480 I'm afraid I don't believe it's changing 1456 01:10:56,740 --> 01:10:54,620 because as when I having studied the 1457 01:10:59,440 --> 01:10:56,750 history of this subject what I found 1458 01:11:01,900 --> 01:10:59,450 since this scientific revolution going 1459 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:01,910 back to the 17th century there have 1460 01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:08,210 always been individuals a minority of 1461 01:11:13,780 --> 01:11:11,540 individuals from the very beginning of 1462 01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:13,790 the Scientific Revolution who rejected 1463 01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:17,960 the materialism that was part of the new 1464 01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:20,900 science and said no there's a whole many 1465 01:11:25,150 --> 01:11:22,700 dimensions above the experience that we 1466 01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:25,160 have to take seriously spirits and all 1467 01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:28,040 that and levitation miracles bla bla and 1468 01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:31,070 I feel the same I don't think as you go 1469 01:11:36,970 --> 01:11:33,860 from the 17th to the 18th to the 19th to 1470 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:36,980 the 20th right into the 21st century it 1471 01:11:42,910 --> 01:11:40,130 seems to me it's the same ratio of a 1472 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:42,920 minority often of the best people of a 1473 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:47,090 culture I mean Freud Jung and I mean 1474 01:11:50,170 --> 01:11:48,650 it's through the great psychologist of 1475 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:50,180 26 they were interested in the 1476 01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:53,750 paranormal right oh I'm gonna have to 1477 01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:55,190 I'm gonna have to ask you to hold it 1478 01:11:58,300 --> 01:11:56,870 right there because we have to go to our 1479 01:12:00,760 --> 01:11:58,310 bottom of the hour break so we'll 1480 01:12:05,550 --> 01:12:00,770 continue this conversation we come back 1481 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:09,700 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1482 01:12:15,580 --> 01:12:12,290 two of the most electrifying researchers 1483 01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:15,590 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1484 01:12:21,340 --> 01:12:16,070 Lee 1485 01:12:23,890 --> 01:12:21,350 and Taylor Swift's here we are Tim at 1486 01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:23,900 the bottom of the hour less than a half 1487 01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:26,960 hour to go just the time just always 1488 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:28,550 fight as we get to this point and it 1489 01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:30,970 says like where that's the time gone 1490 01:12:35,710 --> 01:12:33,230 well you know I have spent half the 1491 01:12:40,150 --> 01:12:35,720 evening just a little bit above the 1492 01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:40,160 recliner told anybody this but I didn't 1493 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:43,420 have to push the recliner back I just 1494 01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:46,970 managed to levitate a few feet above the 1495 01:12:52,180 --> 01:12:49,190 floor but I'm working on it maybe by a 1496 01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:52,190 time we have Michael on the next time 1497 01:12:59,580 --> 01:12:55,490 I'll be a little bit more adept at it 1498 01:13:03,160 --> 01:12:59,590 floating on the air but for for tonight 1499 01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:03,170 we'll just have to be content with a 1500 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:07,070 couple of inches although who was it 1501 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:10,610 BD Hume went out the window and came in 1502 01:13:15,370 --> 01:13:12,050 the other window that's probably the 1503 01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:15,380 most famously yeah a a case in in 1504 01:13:22,270 --> 01:13:19,040 spiritualism of 11 to err limitation 1505 01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:22,280 yeah yeah and in front of many witnesses 1506 01:13:29,650 --> 01:13:26,510 in fact I'm very very sort of high-class 1507 01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:29,660 dudes to that you you know they're very 1508 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:33,200 intelligent very wealthy and not likely 1509 01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:36,050 to make it up but they could have 1510 01:13:41,230 --> 01:13:38,900 conceivably been deceived in the 1511 01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:41,240 darkness semi-darkness but I don't think 1512 01:13:46,450 --> 01:13:43,910 so I think he was the real thing well 1513 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:46,460 you know we I did a book called the dark 1514 01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:49,730 seance about the Davenport brothers now 1515 01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:52,100 they didn't levitate they didn't 1516 01:13:58,690 --> 01:13:53,960 levitate themselves but they would put 1517 01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:58,700 them in a spiritualist in a medium box 1518 01:14:04,690 --> 01:14:01,760 block yeah cabinet locked a lot the the 1519 01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:04,700 cabinet at about buying their hands 1520 01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:07,700 together and all the musical instruments 1521 01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:10,820 would come up above the the the box out 1522 01:14:18,509 --> 01:14:12,680 of an opening in the top and float 1523 01:14:21,909 --> 01:14:18,519 across the room and play now that's 1524 01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:21,919 that's wild stuff and boy did they you 1525 01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:25,070 talk about you know being a persecuted 1526 01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:26,989 they were driven out of town I think 1527 01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:30,800 they were beat up by mobs a couple of at 1528 01:14:35,469 --> 01:14:33,590 times the thrown in their jail and one 1529 01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:35,479 woman I think even felt him then she 1530 01:14:39,219 --> 01:14:37,249 fall out of the balcony in Philadelphia 1531 01:14:41,739 --> 01:14:39,229 or something tried to get a closer look 1532 01:14:42,819 --> 01:14:41,749 or grab one of the musical instruments 1533 01:14:45,729 --> 01:14:42,829 or something yeah yeah 1534 01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:45,739 the spirits didn't rescue her medication 1535 01:14:55,229 --> 01:14:48,260 III guess not she could use a little bit 1536 01:14:58,469 --> 01:14:55,239 of levitation but I wanted to ask Emily 1537 01:15:03,189 --> 01:14:58,479 one of the instruments that you use is 1538 01:15:04,419 --> 01:15:03,199 the ghost box which now you have to 1539 01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:04,429 correct me if I'm wrong on this but 1540 01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:07,030 doesn't it like rapidly scan across 1541 01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:12,320 various radio frequencies okay so now I 1542 01:15:15,699 --> 01:15:14,419 know a lot of critics will say oh you 1543 01:15:20,109 --> 01:15:15,709 know you're just picking up random 1544 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:20,119 voices you know because they are faces 1545 01:15:25,299 --> 01:15:22,489 you know FM FM AM for your disease i 1546 01:15:28,299 --> 01:15:25,309 mean they're they're almost full to 1547 01:15:31,419 --> 01:15:28,309 overflowing with with broadcasts so i 1548 01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:31,429 mean how can you tell the difference 1549 01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:33,289 between if you're actually picking up 1550 01:15:40,629 --> 01:15:36,590 something of a paranormal nature and not 1551 01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:40,639 just some DJ on a wild streak well when 1552 01:15:45,339 --> 01:15:43,369 they scan through these frequencies it 1553 01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:45,349 jumps through the veil available 1554 01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:47,780 frequencies like within a fraction of a 1555 01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:51,169 second like it goes so fast that you 1556 01:15:57,429 --> 01:15:53,510 don't even have a time to get a syllable 1557 01:16:00,580 --> 01:15:57,439 out the as it scans it gets like 1558 01:16:03,429 --> 01:16:00,590 different transmissions like static 1559 01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:03,439 white noise and things like that which 1560 01:16:09,969 --> 01:16:06,280 words eventually start coming out but 1561 01:16:12,609 --> 01:16:09,979 you can tell when it is a spirit because 1562 01:16:14,379 --> 01:16:12,619 i mean with my experience with the ghost 1563 01:16:16,689 --> 01:16:14,389 box and i've had very good experiences 1564 01:16:19,149 --> 01:16:16,699 with it i almost get full sentences 1565 01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,159 each time and now there's times where 1566 01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:21,199 i'll get one sentence to ZURB not one 1567 01:16:26,259 --> 01:16:22,989 sentence but one word two words 1568 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:26,269 responses but I get very good responses 1569 01:16:30,459 --> 01:16:28,010 through there I get full sentences a lot 1570 01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:30,469 of times I was a 1571 01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,030 in Columbus just this past April at the 1572 01:16:40,209 --> 01:16:37,040 circus house which is also the cells 1573 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:40,219 mansion I was painting the carriage 1574 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:42,530 house there and actually I'll tell you I 1575 01:16:46,959 --> 01:16:44,090 saw something there I saw this little 1576 01:16:49,209 --> 01:16:46,969 boy probably seven eight years old he 1577 01:16:51,790 --> 01:16:49,219 went across the kitchen there and he had 1578 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:51,800 a dunce cap on Rosa 1579 01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:53,690 it was odd I've never seen anything went 1580 01:17:00,180 --> 01:16:55,310 so fast like when I see these things 1581 01:17:03,010 --> 01:17:00,190 it's extremely fast and like I decided 1582 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:03,020 do EVP session on that in the carriage 1583 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:05,690 house now we investigated the actual 1584 01:17:11,290 --> 01:17:07,610 circus house and it's amazing I have 1585 01:17:12,930 --> 01:17:11,300 YouTube videos about this location 1586 01:17:16,570 --> 01:17:12,940 that's never been investigated before 1587 01:17:18,670 --> 01:17:16,580 but it's Peter cells it's the first 1588 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:18,680 circus that was ever in the United 1589 01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:22,010 States the cells Brothers Circus before 1590 01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:25,550 what was a Barnum Bailey Circus took 1591 01:17:30,939 --> 01:17:29,180 over but anyway I did an EVP or EVP I 1592 01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:30,949 did a Ghost Box session there actually 1593 01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:34,270 have it touch I got a touch lamp 1594 01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,670 Bluetooth speaker and I you can touch it 1595 01:17:42,250 --> 01:17:39,440 changes colors and I try to get spirits 1596 01:17:44,770 --> 01:17:42,260 to touch it to change but I have Ghost 1597 01:17:48,189 --> 01:17:44,780 Fox responses on there which is on my 1598 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:48,199 soundcloud it's that I picked up a kid's 1599 01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:50,570 voices do you want to color I mean the 1600 01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,250 whole whole question the whole thing 1601 01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:54,080 there as the as these frequencies are 1602 01:17:58,270 --> 01:17:55,670 going through so fast I mean it's a 1603 01:18:01,420 --> 01:17:58,280 fraction of a second and it's it's 1604 01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:01,430 through FM and AM you can choose on on 1605 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:03,980 the sb7 which one you want to use you 1606 01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:07,690 can sweep forward and sweep backward but 1607 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:12,230 I get full senses that I asked if it got 1608 01:18:17,890 --> 01:18:14,810 if somebody got in earth ask what color 1609 01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,900 is the lamp the lamp was red at the time 1610 01:18:24,670 --> 01:18:20,000 I get the response red that's one word 1611 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:24,680 response the I asked I felt like 1612 01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:27,650 somebody got pushed there so I said 1613 01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:29,300 somebody got pushed I said Officer 1614 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:33,710 Thomas did it is what it said and and a 1615 01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:35,210 lot of the times to through these 1616 01:18:38,979 --> 01:18:37,460 frequencies if you would be getting 1617 01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:38,989 different channels you would have 1618 01:18:42,850 --> 01:18:41,000 different voices when these voices 1619 01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:42,860 respond back especially in the full 1620 01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:44,300 census it's the same boy 1621 01:18:47,229 --> 01:18:45,710 and it's consistent and you know it's 1622 01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:47,239 going through those frequencies in a 1623 01:18:51,149 --> 01:18:49,790 fraction of a second so you would think 1624 01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:51,159 that you would get different pitches 1625 01:18:56,140 --> 01:18:54,409 different voices female voices men 1626 01:18:59,200 --> 01:18:56,150 voices but with the sentences it's all 1627 01:19:00,939 --> 01:18:59,210 it's this consistent voice so that's how 1628 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:00,949 I feel that you know I'm actually 1629 01:19:07,299 --> 01:19:03,190 talking something other than radio 1630 01:19:09,970 --> 01:19:07,309 frequencies or you know other kind of 1631 01:19:11,859 --> 01:19:09,980 transmission that's coming through why 1632 01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:11,869 I'm plus like I mean the whole reason 1633 01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:14,360 that you're that you have like the the 1634 01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,329 the dirty ghost box on YouTube is 1635 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:18,800 because you're getting responses a lot 1636 01:19:26,069 --> 01:19:22,090 of times with words that shouldn't be 1637 01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,079 broadcast over a terrestrial radio right 1638 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:28,159 that's something else too I want to tell 1639 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:29,210 you about this little boy at the dunce 1640 01:19:34,510 --> 01:19:31,489 cap I talked to the owner of the circus 1641 01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:34,520 house I had no idea at that building a 1642 01:19:39,970 --> 01:19:35,750 carriage house was a kindergarten 1643 01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:39,980 classroom in the 1950s or 60s for at 1644 01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,489 least four to five years I think and so 1645 01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:46,159 you know forties between the 40s and 60s 1646 01:19:50,649 --> 01:19:48,020 you know kids are in trouble or they did 1647 01:19:51,069 --> 01:19:50,659 dumps cap on back then and side him in 1648 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:51,079 the corner 1649 01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:56,090 so yeah I had no idea whatsoever that 1650 01:20:00,760 --> 01:19:58,610 even took place there and so then I did 1651 01:20:02,979 --> 01:20:00,770 research on it afterwards because mostly 1652 01:20:05,470 --> 01:20:02,989 I researched about Marysol's and Peter 1653 01:20:08,140 --> 01:20:05,480 sells a ton no home and they had a very 1654 01:20:13,419 --> 01:20:08,150 very tumultuous marriage divorced it was 1655 01:20:15,819 --> 01:20:13,429 a trial that lasted over a year and it 1656 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:15,829 was a big to-do in Columbus back then 1657 01:20:20,770 --> 01:20:19,130 and so I researched more about that that 1658 01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:20,780 I didn't research about what else could 1659 01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:24,369 have happened after like the early 1900s 1660 01:20:29,260 --> 01:20:27,380 to that building which I should have but 1661 01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:29,270 I didn't at the time so when I saw this 1662 01:20:35,169 --> 01:20:31,820 kid run through the kitchen liked it 1663 01:20:36,939 --> 01:20:35,179 like he did I was like you know like it 1664 01:20:40,839 --> 01:20:36,949 always catches me off guard I can always 1665 01:20:42,609 --> 01:20:40,849 see it when I don't expect it and and 1666 01:20:46,450 --> 01:20:42,619 then to get the response that do you 1667 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:46,460 want to color question mark was awesome 1668 01:20:53,649 --> 01:20:50,800 to me that response is on Soundcloud too 1669 01:20:56,729 --> 01:20:53,659 so now what you had the you know you 1670 01:20:58,740 --> 01:20:56,739 when you saw the the kid run by 1671 01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,750 with with the dunce cap do you think 1672 01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:01,120 that you were seeing an actual spirit or 1673 01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:06,270 a residual effect of like a past event 1674 01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:10,120 and it it could be probably a little bit 1675 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:13,030 of buzz really I mean that's that little 1676 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:15,250 boy might be tied to that place for some 1677 01:21:18,810 --> 01:21:16,840 reason he might have had some really bad 1678 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:18,820 times there since he's a dunce cap he 1679 01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:19,930 might have had some really good times 1680 01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:24,000 there I don't know but it could be both 1681 01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:28,300 really it just it was a split second I 1682 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:30,040 saw him run from left to right in that 1683 01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:32,050 back part of the kitchen and he was like 1684 01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:36,760 running to the corner actually so it was 1685 01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:38,860 very unexpected and then to find out 1686 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,300 that it used to be a kindergarten 1687 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:43,360 classroom I want to say it was in the 1688 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:46,090 late 50s I'm usually good with dates I I 1689 01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:47,410 don't know why I can't remember this 1690 01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:51,160 date right now was awesome to hear from 1691 01:21:57,870 --> 01:21:54,489 the owner of the home so but I think it 1692 01:22:01,650 --> 01:21:57,880 could be both have you have you ever 1693 01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:01,660 attempted and you know i-i've been 1694 01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:04,030 fascinated with the whole aspect of you 1695 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:06,460 know EVPs and you know radio 1696 01:22:12,030 --> 01:22:09,850 communications even even phone calls you 1697 01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:12,040 know allegedly from the dead but I think 1698 01:22:15,780 --> 01:22:12,760 you know one of the things that 1699 01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:15,790 fascinates me the most is the group of 1700 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:19,540 people who have attempted to get visual 1701 01:22:25,170 --> 01:22:22,770 impressions using video cameras 1702 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:25,180 televisions that are set you know off 1703 01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:27,250 channel things like that you know have 1704 01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,200 you ever tried anything like that or 1705 01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:31,440 thought about trying something like that 1706 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:33,670 like what like what do you mean like 1707 01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:38,290 setting up DVRs like video well correct 1708 01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:42,100 me mark Maci yeah mark mark Maci from 1709 01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:45,100 Colorado Springs I mean he supposedly 1710 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:49,710 has videos and also the the the scroll 1711 01:22:56,490 --> 01:22:53,770 scroll group in in England photographed 1712 01:23:00,720 --> 01:22:56,500 Yeah right you it's video like what 1713 01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:00,730 IG ITC what's that gosh I can't remember 1714 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:04,360 what that what that stands for go ahead 1715 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:10,620 video yeah 1716 01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:13,090 well out of all the years I've done this 1717 01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:15,580 I could probably say it's very rare that 1718 01:23:21,150 --> 01:23:17,890 you actually catch anything on video or 1719 01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:21,160 still images now I do have a picture 1720 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:23,110 that used to be displayed at the Stanley 1721 01:23:27,390 --> 01:23:25,930 Hotel I don't know if it still is I 1722 01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:27,400 haven't been to the Stanley Hotel since 1723 01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:31,030 2015 but I did catch a still image of FO 1724 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:33,340 Stanley and the mirror there in the 1725 01:23:39,690 --> 01:23:35,970 Billard room and it is a magnificent 1726 01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:39,700 image it's awesome when I captured that 1727 01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:41,080 I even went back out to this family the 1728 01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:43,090 next day we try to debunk it couldn't 1729 01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:45,100 debunk it it's a really really good 1730 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:45,940 picture of him 1731 01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:48,370 but out of all the years I've done that 1732 01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:49,900 that's the only still picture I ever 1733 01:23:57,390 --> 01:23:54,040 caught if something in in a photograph 1734 01:24:02,580 --> 01:23:57,400 on video on video 1735 01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:02,590 I've captured things at the the Seton 1736 01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,030 Manor that I talked to spoke about 1737 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:06,400 earlier with the Edina burial grounds 1738 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:09,250 here in Ashland Kentucky it was it was 1739 01:24:12,650 --> 01:24:11,050 it's neat because it was up on the 1740 01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:12,660 second floor and it was actually 1741 01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:15,430 something peeking in the window and 1742 01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:17,470 going back and it illuminated in like a 1743 01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:21,340 gold color that's gonna that work that's 1744 01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:23,230 gonna be on season five people see that 1745 01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:27,060 we're gonna be putting that into our 1746 01:24:33,090 --> 01:24:29,560 season one of one of our episodes I'm 1747 01:24:35,190 --> 01:24:33,100 not for sure which one yet but it's 1748 01:24:37,670 --> 01:24:35,200 peeking in and peeking out peeking in 1749 01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:37,680 and picking out and listen this house is 1750 01:24:43,950 --> 01:24:40,660 magnificent it look like it looks like a 1751 01:24:47,190 --> 01:24:43,960 child it could it looks like a child 1752 01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:47,200 it's illuminated in gold it's peaking 1753 01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:49,660 peaking into the house and then peeking 1754 01:24:54,090 --> 01:24:51,880 out don't listen there's two big huge 1755 01:24:55,980 --> 01:24:54,100 magnificent trees on the outside of this 1756 01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,990 window this is on the second floor of 1757 01:24:59,870 --> 01:24:57,520 this house this house is huge it's a 1758 01:25:04,800 --> 01:24:59,880 mansion home it's like eight bedrooms 1759 01:25:08,940 --> 01:25:04,810 two three bathrooms it's it was one of 1760 01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:08,950 our mr. means was our second mayor of 1761 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,140 Ashland it's his daughter's house and 1762 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:13,840 they were into the brick yards they had 1763 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:15,570 all the brick yards and the iron 1764 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:18,610 factories and stuff Ironton Ohio is 1765 01:25:22,110 --> 01:25:20,290 right across the river from me so they 1766 01:25:23,660 --> 01:25:22,120 had a lot of things to do with iron in 1767 01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:23,670 Ironton and 1768 01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:26,340 so this house is huge I try to debunk 1769 01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:28,530 this thing I've got my car I drove 1770 01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:29,310 around the block 1771 01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:31,320 I took the flashlight up there I tried 1772 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:33,870 to I truly believe it's it's paranormal 1773 01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:36,330 is a little girl it looks like a little 1774 01:25:42,140 --> 01:25:38,820 girl to me and she does it three times 1775 01:25:43,610 --> 01:25:42,150 peeks and then goes back Peaks goes back 1776 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:43,620 and then Peaks really fast a little more 1777 01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,330 times and goes back and nobody sounds 1778 01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:49,920 like a little bit of levitation to me 1779 01:26:01,670 --> 01:25:59,040 would you say my but after doing the 1780 01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:01,680 show and everything now I came in on the 1781 01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,190 paranormal journeys season four and 1782 01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:07,520 we're getting ready to season five but 1783 01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:10,380 they've caught quite a few things on 1784 01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,560 camera which is awesome I'm glad that 1785 01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:15,360 they have but that's the only thing that 1786 01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:20,400 they captured with me I don't do orbs I 1787 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:24,120 don't I don't know I don't do the what 1788 01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:26,850 they call that the pixelated images that 1789 01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:29,720 make make it look like there's faces oh 1790 01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:34,950 yeah in in like Windows or some kind of 1791 01:26:40,730 --> 01:26:38,820 reflection or off water or something 1792 01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:40,740 like that I don't I hate to say that I 1793 01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,350 hate to turn anything down but I it ends 1794 01:26:48,020 --> 01:26:45,600 up being arguments and I just don't even 1795 01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:48,030 look at those things anymore orbs can be 1796 01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,270 so many other different things yeah but 1797 01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:53,040 some of them are really stranger but 1798 01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:55,830 we've had we had some guest on the show 1799 01:27:01,520 --> 01:26:58,590 here who described I mean orbs that are 1800 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:01,530 very very intelligent and sometimes you 1801 01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:05,130 can even see an image and inside the the 1802 01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:08,160 orb and they grow it they shrink and 1803 01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:12,420 they grow in size and today I love that 1804 01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:14,070 there's people out there that does that 1805 01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:16,380 but I just I can't can't they're well 1806 01:27:24,050 --> 01:27:19,350 every it's just so many difficulties 1807 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:24,060 yeah yeah everybody has a special bring 1808 01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:26,730 me some kind of voice that I can listen 1809 01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:30,030 to I will tell you but words I just I I 1810 01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:32,250 just can't for some reason I just can't 1811 01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:34,860 get involved with that we got to get 1812 01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:37,750 some talking orbs for you 1813 01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:40,310 hey yeah so tell us a little bit about 1814 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:43,400 the show and the paranormal journeys 1815 01:27:47,859 --> 01:27:45,650 it's been around this is obviously the 1816 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:47,869 fifties and we we have gone on a break 1817 01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,210 for the past year our producer have gone 1818 01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:51,679 through a really hard time he lost his 1819 01:27:56,740 --> 01:27:54,800 younger brother unexpectedly so him and 1820 01:27:58,419 --> 01:27:56,750 his families had a rough year we were 1821 01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:58,429 supposed to start filming last fall but 1822 01:28:03,970 --> 01:27:59,690 we're getting ready start filming now 1823 01:28:06,370 --> 01:28:03,980 this summer and into the fall there most 1824 01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:06,380 of the team it's located in Middlesboro 1825 01:28:13,060 --> 01:28:09,440 Kentucky but some of them are in 1826 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:13,070 Knoxville we are on roku which is I 1827 01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,650 don't have Roku but the vanity code for 1828 01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:18,560 it is Capital G capital H number zero 1829 01:28:26,290 --> 01:28:23,679 number five in a capital T then we're on 1830 01:28:29,250 --> 01:28:26,300 22 channels and eight different states 1831 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:29,260 and and supposedly we're still growing 1832 01:28:34,830 --> 01:28:32,810 our biggest viewers come out in 1833 01:28:39,339 --> 01:28:34,840 Knoxville Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge 1834 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:39,349 area so but we go we are seen you can be 1835 01:28:43,629 --> 01:28:40,730 seen you have to look at local listings 1836 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:43,639 but in Maine Massachusetts New Hampshire 1837 01:28:51,250 --> 01:28:49,610 New York Kentucky Indiana Tennessee and 1838 01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:51,260 I'm missing one I always miss one I 1839 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:54,980 think it's Virginia you know they are 1840 01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:57,770 they like a half-hour episodes yes or 1841 01:29:03,129 --> 01:29:00,770 half-hour episodes for right now yes hey 1842 01:29:06,220 --> 01:29:03,139 could we never fight them on YouTube at 1843 01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:06,230 all and and he did release YouTube 1844 01:29:12,129 --> 01:29:10,670 season 1 about a year ago we were 1845 01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:12,139 getting he was getting ready really 1846 01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:14,659 season 2 on YouTube and then everything 1847 01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:16,639 happened with his brother and things so 1848 01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:18,860 he hasn't done that yet but she's 1849 01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:21,260 already season 1 season 1 is up there 1850 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:25,190 someone yes yes alright and I think 1851 01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:27,530 season 1 actually deals with a lot of 1852 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:30,110 the Old South Pittsburgh hospital which 1853 01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:33,170 is getting ready to be torn down or I've 1854 01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:35,960 never investigated they're there they 1855 01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:38,300 they have an apparition I think on that 1856 01:29:44,319 --> 01:29:41,500 video but they they have they caught the 1857 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:44,329 ceiling fan ghost they have on there 1858 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:46,489 which is neat they actually have a video 1859 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:48,530 on there and I'm bummed out I missed on 1860 01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:50,810 missed out on this but actually 1861 01:29:54,730 --> 01:29:52,730 can see a bad move like somebody 1862 01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:54,740 actually sitting on the bed and then 1863 01:29:59,620 --> 01:29:56,270 getting up and sitting back down on the 1864 01:30:02,860 --> 01:29:59,630 bed again it is a really fantastic video 1865 01:30:05,950 --> 01:30:02,870 to watch that we're getting ready to be 1866 01:30:08,890 --> 01:30:05,960 at Ross Opera House it'll be my second 1867 01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:08,900 time going back there actually I'm so 1868 01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:10,550 excited for it because I got one of my 1869 01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:14,420 best EVPs there it's theater 1870 01:30:21,730 --> 01:30:19,130 in Cynthiana Kentucky and I'm up on the 1871 01:30:24,700 --> 01:30:21,740 balcony with one of my friends Ryan and 1872 01:30:26,410 --> 01:30:24,710 then Tim and Jessica they are actually 1873 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:26,420 on the paranormal journeys we went to 1874 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:29,090 investigate this as just to investigate 1875 01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:32,210 they're down on the stage and I actually 1876 01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:34,940 feel something poked me on the back and 1877 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:37,430 they're looking up at me in the balcony 1878 01:30:40,540 --> 01:30:38,810 and they said that they saw a shadow 1879 01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,550 figure behind me but couldn't tell if it 1880 01:30:44,050 --> 01:30:42,320 was me moving or something behind me and 1881 01:30:45,820 --> 01:30:44,060 I said I feel something just poked me in 1882 01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:45,830 the back and I have an EVP right there 1883 01:30:52,690 --> 01:30:49,310 that says turn around and you know it's 1884 01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:52,700 it's creepy it's on Soundcloud too but 1885 01:30:56,650 --> 01:30:54,710 there's a woman that haunts that place 1886 01:31:00,430 --> 01:30:56,660 there was a young boy there it's also a 1887 01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:00,440 dirty box dirty ghost box location there 1888 01:31:06,940 --> 01:31:03,110 was a young boy that lived there I think 1889 01:31:09,010 --> 01:31:06,950 he was the old owner of the theater I 1890 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:09,020 could be wrong on this it's in the dirty 1891 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:13,010 ghost box explain but he was very abused 1892 01:31:19,810 --> 01:31:15,650 and raped and things and even on the 1893 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:19,820 ghost box it comes back it says rape and 1894 01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:23,330 stuff on it so that I don't know Ross 1895 01:31:28,750 --> 01:31:26,450 Opera House is excellent I love theater 1896 01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:28,760 so if you tell me a theater is haunted I 1897 01:31:34,110 --> 01:31:31,040 will be there in a heartbeat I don't 1898 01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:34,120 know what it is about it but I love them 1899 01:31:38,820 --> 01:31:36,830 how do you find new places I mean do you 1900 01:31:42,010 --> 01:31:38,830 have places that people haven't been to 1901 01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:42,020 that really like yes that's what I like 1902 01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:44,720 to do I'm not very drawn to these big 1903 01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:46,310 large locations that's already been on 1904 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:48,710 TV I don't know my goodness some of them 1905 01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:50,930 have been over over and over and over 1906 01:31:57,730 --> 01:31:55,520 again speaking speaking up over and over 1907 01:32:01,360 --> 01:31:57,740 the work Tim we're coming up to the 1908 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:05,479 yeah well it this is this is our living 1909 01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:06,570 room and you're welcome 1910 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:08,130 you're welcome to stay and bring your 1911 01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:12,810 dirty box anytime hey so why don't we 1912 01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:14,489 just go around the table one more time 1913 01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,239 Michael how can people get a get a hold 1914 01:32:28,820 --> 01:32:21,440 of you or or find you or get your book 1915 01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:28,830 well my books are available on Amazon as 1916 01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:32,130 most books are nowadays so I even have 1917 01:32:38,930 --> 01:32:36,390 an author's page and I have about five 1918 01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:38,940 or six books out there but you can also 1919 01:32:49,670 --> 01:32:44,510 read on my my blog we're constantly 1920 01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:49,680 looking or writing about phenomena that 1921 01:32:57,460 --> 01:32:53,040 are I'm just kind of trying to pick out 1922 01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:57,470 phenomena that are really unusual 1923 01:33:03,860 --> 01:32:59,820 singular I talk about human 1924 01:33:05,570 --> 01:33:03,870 singularities and but only cases where 1925 01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,580 there's lots of evidence that that's the 1926 01:33:11,180 --> 01:33:08,400 kind of criteria I'm using well this 1927 01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:11,190 show this show will be up on YouTube but 1928 01:33:18,170 --> 01:33:15,570 shortly and well we're getting towards 1929 01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:18,180 the the end of the the evening you hear 1930 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:22,080 so Emily what's the best way to for 1931 01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:23,730 people to find freaking frack go to 1932 01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:26,430 Frick and frack calm and unfortunately 1933 01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:30,320 no but and freakin practice on Facebook 1934 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:33,540 Frick and fracks also on Instagram and 1935 01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:37,290 then my youtube and then what I promote 1936 01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,420 the most is my soundcloud because it's 1937 01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:41,760 all my EVPs that's on there and that's 1938 01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:44,760 soundcloud.com backslash Frick and frack 1939 01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:47,310 paranormal and it spelled out and it's 1940 01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:52,080 all one word so but any type of social 1941 01:34:01,280 --> 01:33:56,730 media Facebook Twitter Instagram any any 1942 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:01,290 way well it's easy to find all of us I'm 1943 01:34:10,100 --> 01:34:06,570 I do a believe and in Tim we've got a 1944 01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:10,110 new book out on the miracle plates of 1945 01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:12,910 Nikola Tesla and of course our 1946 01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:18,430 you fo a hostility book and the evil 1947 01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,310 agenda of some of the aliens at least so 1948 01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:23,440 we've been pretty busy you know 1949 01:34:27,930 --> 01:34:25,120 ourselves and we get some great programs 1950 01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:27,940 coming up in the next a few weeks in 1951 01:34:35,370 --> 01:34:31,440 fact I am putting together a special 1952 01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:35,380 smackdown show of wrestlers who have had 1953 01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:38,950 paranormal experiences as a tribute to 1954 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:42,670 my friend lady Suzanne who was of course 1955 01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:44,170 one of our psychics with the occult 1956 01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:46,960 Center who wrestled professionally under 1957 01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:51,670 the name of Vivien st. John and we've 1958 01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,750 got we've got the the alien artifact man 1959 01:35:00,150 --> 01:34:58,480 coming on John Peel so we we've got with 1960 01:35:01,770 --> 01:35:00,160 the alien club we've got some great 1961 01:35:03,780 --> 01:35:01,780 shows coming up and I want to thank our 1962 01:35:07,290 --> 01:35:03,790 guests this evening it would like Peter 1963 01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:07,300 Helen and Carole for all their 1964 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:09,490 assistance and help and of course Tina 1965 01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:13,930 who keeps us plugged into the Internet 1966 01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:17,440 and of course you there Tim Swartz in 1967 01:35:24,420 --> 01:35:20,760 Jasper Indiana yeah we're having a 1968 01:35:27,090 --> 01:35:24,430 really good storm right now we sound 1969 01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:27,100 like the the the opening and ending to 1970 01:35:32,580 --> 01:35:30,430 the program just just a little early 1971 01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:32,590 over the over my microphone here oh and 1972 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:34,530 I and I don't want to mention real quick 1973 01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:37,090 John didn't say this but I guess he's 1974 01:35:41,580 --> 01:35:38,590 going to be giving a talk there in New 1975 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:41,590 York City on a June 22nd at the New York 1976 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:47,320 open Center in the New York area 1977 01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:51,010 yeah the New York open Center I'll be 1978 01:35:58,650 --> 01:35:55,300 talking about what it means for the 1979 01:36:02,040 --> 01:35:58,660 future of human evolution I'm very 1980 01:36:05,790 --> 01:36:02,050 interested in well I believe you guys 1981 01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:05,800 you guys are great that's right a 1982 01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:20,880 you've been listening to exploring the 1983 01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:24,760 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T 1984 01:36:30,570 --> 01:36:27,730 Swartz they're taking back the night's 1985 01:36:33,480 --> 01:36:30,580 by jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 1986 01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:33,490 search of the truly bizarre and totally 1987 01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:37,300 unexplained with you as their combined 1988 01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:39,810 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1989 01:36:47,130 --> 01:36:44,290 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1990 01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:47,140 radiator for more information on 1991 01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:50,590 exploring the bizarre and hosts Timothy 1992 01:36:56,850 --> 01:36:53,110 Beckley and Tim Swartz check out there k 1993 01:37:03,180 --> 01:36:56,860 cor digital radio network follow their 1994 01:37:13,970 --> 01:37:03,190 YouTube channel @m r UFO 1100 exploring